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Subject:  Re: Katie Talks about NDE's Date:  10/9/2012  12:27 PM
Author:  CCinOC Number:  647865 of 878788

Quoted: Were Art not actually apparently a grounded Christian in most of his philosophy with a nod toward NDE when he just doesn't want to do something he would be a rather dangerous anarchist most likely.

I don't perceive Art to be a Christian at all.

There may be some debate about what constitutes "Christian." I understand it to mean someone who has come to the understanding that, without Jesus Christ's intervention, they're hopelessly lost and destined to enter Eternity outside the presence of God.

Recognizing this, they ask God to forgive them--which of course He will--and then they feel compelled to live an earthly life more in line with how God wants it lived, using the operations manual (Bible) and community structure (church) He has provided. Jesus Christ is the example Christians seek to follow as described in the Bible. Christians fail often in this goal. Rome wasn't built in a day, but the more they succeed, the better this life is (in my experience), although not without challenges.

Art apparently doesn't feel the need to surrender to God's will because he doesn't think it matters what he does or believes; that Heaven awaits him no matter what he does or believes. I'm not judging this point of view--that's not my place--I'm merely stating what I perceive, based on his posts, Art's position to be regarding God and Heaven. Art is in active rebellion against God, which is what free will is all about. This isn't judgment on my part, but an observation.
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