I just heard on the TV that former Fed. Chair Allen Greenspan is saying America needs a third political party to get through the Washington political gridlock. What do people here think that Third Party would look like? Does anyone here know what Greenspan espouses politically now that he is a private citizen?I personally would hope for a Third Political Party that didn't try to solve so many international problems through war. I would wish for some new political leaders who are well educated in economic theory, to help keep the USA economically competitive in this Brave New World. I dream of a Third Party that would be willing to tackle America's Health care crisis, and develop a National Health Care System where health care costs would be spread out equitably between, businesses, government and individuals. I personally would wish for a Third Party which supported a woman's right to choose with regard to the issue of abortion. Perhaps the new National Health Care program could pay for birth control so abortion would be infrequent. Just a few of my wish lists items. Any thoughts? Tax credits for entrepreneurs? More On site Day care for families at their workplaces? Utopia anybody?
I don't know about Utopia, but I agree that I and I would argue most citizens want another choice.Some elements of what you describe are found in the Libertarian policies, i.e. non-interventionist foreign policy, pro-choice (but not a government cost), free enterprise economic policy (no government favorites) and my own favorite, pro civil liberty. But the problem with Utopia political movements (such as the LP) is that they are so "Utopian". The congruence of competing special interests, all backed by big bucks and the current ruling political parties act to prevent any significant organized opposition to the current power structure. The old parties disagree on a lot, but not their joint desire to maintain their monopoly on polical power. This is reflected in law, i.e. campaign financing, ballot access restrictions, all or nothing elections and practice. The propaganda of the "two party system", 'don 't throw your vote away, lesser of two evils, etc. etc. deter most citizens from considering alternatives - heck a lot of people think it is somehow illegal or un-American to vote for anyone else. The laziness and/or ignorance of the news media is also an impediment. Third parties are usually covered, if at all, as "human interest" filler, and represented as a bunch of nuts or malcontents. This has changed somewhat over the past decade with the emergence of Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura, but not in a fundemental way.Finally, the plutocratic interests that fund and control our political structure are simply not intersted, and would actively oppose any new opposition. How do they benefit from any of the policies you mention?Nevertheless, I believe that an Opposition Party advocating along the lines you describe would have a lot of appeal -- but "first get a million dollars".Regards. Thetis.
PR So here is a voter who (in my mind anyway) wants lower federal government spending and a balanced budget, and doesn't want the federal government restricting his lifestyle choices or preaching to him. He believes that of the four combinations of these two variables (fiscal and social), his choice represents the plurality. I think he is right.Seems like we could have such a party. After the election, I will be talking more about this party which I have dubbed the "Federalist Party."http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21451670This is helpful but I would like to propose a slightly different grid:Social liberal -- Social conservativeFiscal liberal -- Fiscal conservativeFurthermore I want to restrict this to policies of the federal government. Here are some examples:Social liberal: Supports federal policies which insure availability of birth control and abortion.Social conservative: Supports federal policies which restrict gay marriage and gay civil union.Fiscal liberal: Not concerned about federal deficits or concerned but [un]willing to raise taxes.Fiscal conservative: Supports a balanced federal budget with a bias towards cutting spending.So where do you stand? 8% ( 3 Votes) Social liberal and fiscal liberal55% (22 Votes) Social liberal and fiscal conservative 0% ( 0 Votes) Social conservative and fiscal liberal 8% ( 3 Votes) Social conservative and fiscal conservative30% (12 Votes) A more complex combinationhttp://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21481118So let's imagine that in the wake of the coming debacle in Iraq which leads to a US government default which triggers a global depression, both parties self-destruct. (Debacle, default, depression, destruction -- has a ring to it. :)During the aftermath, our most sane political leaders come together to form a new party based on centrist principles:Federalist Government -- let the states and localities do as much as possible. Follow the US Constitution; amend it when necessary.Individual Freedom -- draft laws which supports these principles while leaving the maximum possible choice in the hands of individuals.Cultural Neutrality -- eschew all attempts to instruct individual morality and step aside from religious and cultural battles whenever possible. Fiscal Sanity -- balance the federal budget over any ten year span; encourage US dollar revaluation so as to eliminate trade deficits.Free Enterprise -- give private (including non-profit, educational, and religious) enterprise as much leeway as possible while protecting worker's rights.Environmental Stewardship -- protect our children's and grandchildren's natural birthright.Protection of Citizens -- guarantee basic resources, clean air and water, and fundamental rights for all US citizens. Treat all residents fairly.Border Security -- protect our citizens from outside threats such as WMD, terrorists, diseases, and illegal immigration by defending our borders and increasing security at home, not by meddling abroad.International Amity -- cooperate with other nations AS AN EQUAL whenever possible, boycott them when necessary, avoid hostilities.Democratic Excellence -- encourage democracy in the world by setting the best example at home. Welcome foreign students and leaders.Post-Superpower -- abandon our former self-appointed role as world protector. (We won't be able to afford it anyway.)I could go on but you get the idea.http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21327572The Federalist Party. Let's do it.Peter
8% ( 3 Votes) Social liberal and fiscal liberal55% (22 Votes) Social liberal and fiscal conservative 0% ( 0 Votes) Social conservative and fiscal liberal 8% ( 3 Votes) Social conservative and fiscal conservative30% (12 Votes) A more complex combinationhttp://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=21481118
I personally would hope for a Third Political Party that didn't try to solve so many international problems through war. I would wish for some new political leaders who are well educated in economic theory, to help keep the USA economically competitive in this Brave New World. I dream of a Third Party that would be willing to tackle America's Health care crisis, and develop a National Health Care System where health care costs would be spread out equitably between, businesses, government and individuals. I personally would wish for a Third Party which supported a woman's right to choose with regard to the issue of abortion. Perhaps the new National Health Care program could pay for birth control so abortion would be infrequent. Just a few of my wish lists items. Any thoughts? Tax credits for entrepreneurs? More On site Day care for families at their workplaces? Utopia anybody? Sounds like you could have supported Nader in '04.There are plenty of third parties out there now. They just can't get any media attention, and if they do, the press reports on them as though they were all inconsequential members of the lunatic fringe. Meanwhile, the two big parties hold a monoploy on money, power, and influence, and they get all the media coverage. As a result, the Great Unwashed think these are their only two choices, and any legitimate alternative continues to get marginalized. I can't think of anything, sadly, that will break the stranglehold of the two major parties.
Nader is too weird and too extreme. When he pushed me and everyone in my law school class, very hard, after one of his lectures, to agree to tithe a certain percentage of all of our future income to his party, he lost me. I just hope a protectionist backlash movement doesn't spring up in America and fuel a right wing "America First" type party. I guess there is no getting around the fact that a third political party would require grass roots organizing from the bottom up. I think America's terrible need for affordable health care will be one of the catalysts and organizing tools for this new party.There is always the hope that some members of both the Republican and Democratic parties might break away from their parties and realize their middle ground and form some sort of Unity Party?
"What do people here think that Third Party would look like? "I think most Americans realize that there is little real difference between the major parties- both support bloated government at the expense of the taxpayers- they merely scrap over which party's members will get to spend the most. Of course, most Americans have, in their mind, determined that one party is "less evil" than the other, so rather than vote for a third party that really stands for what they believe in, they WASTE THEIR VOTE on "the lesser of 2 evils."However, if you vote for the lesser of 2 evils and "win", you've only supported evil- does that really count as a "win?"This FORMER Republican* will no longer play that game- I'll vote for the BEST CANDIDATE rather than wasting my vote on the "lesser of 2 major party evils."I vote Libertarian ( www.lp.org ) because I want less government, lower taxes, and more freedom, but even if you believe the opposite of me (e.g. Green Party Big Government Socialism), I urge you to vote for what you believe in, and not feel obligated to vote Republicrat.jb* The current administration seems to validate my decision to leave the Republican Party on a daily basis...
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