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Also, I am sorely disappointed in the mini van offerings from GM. They currently aren’t making any models (just large “crossovers”), and so I had been looking at the used models to get a baseline (I am thinking, if all goes well, that I can afford a car payment next year, this time). The used models all get the same crappy gas mileage as the crossovers!!!!! I think I could drive an Envoy (COVET people, covet) and come out just the same, gas wise AND price wise.

What about a Saturn Relay? I think Chevy makes a minivan, too.
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