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Bill O'Reilly interrupts and badgers the President, encapsulating what Fox News thinks is worth asking the President. Funny and sad at the same time.

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/3142612336001/bill-oreillys-super...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/02/not-even-smidgen-...
‘Not even a smidgen of corruption’: Obama downplays IRS, other scandals
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Obama addressed concerns over Benghazi, the launch of HealthCare.gov and the IRS, during the interview Sunday before the Super Bowl. He adamantly rejected the suggestion that the IRS was used for political purposes by singling out Tea Party groups seeking tax exemption.

“That’s not what happened,” he said. Rather, he said, IRS officials were confused about how to implement the law governing those kinds of tax-exempt groups.
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‘Not even a smidgen of corruption’: Obama downplays IRS, other scandals

lol...well no kidding...of course the prez downplayed the corruption in his administration. What else would you expect him to do?

Good for Bill O'Reilly. He asked the prez some tough questions. Poor prez, he certainly got testy. I love it the people at FOX don't kiss the prez' butt like the rest of the LSM.

Even you libs are finally realizing the prez is FOS. The prez gives a football analogy admitting he fumbled with Ocare, then shrugs, saying he will move on to the next play? Riiiight...meanwhile the American people are left holding the pig skin of lies.

“That’s not what happened,” he said. Rather, he said, IRS officials were confused about how to implement the law governing those kinds of tax-exempt groups.

The IRS is confused?...Such stupidity coming from the prez mouth.
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Obama doesn't really give a [email protected] By waving his executive order pen around he's basically signaled that he's going to give the public the finger. His time in office now is about satisfying his inner flaming lib and feathering his and Michelle's nest a la the Clintons.
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Who has the foolishness to consider O'Reilly a journalist (besides himself) and let him near the President of the United States? That should have been nipped in the bud.
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Obama doesn't really give a [email protected] By waving his executive order pen around he's basically signaled that he's going to give the public the finger. His time in office now is about satisfying his inner flaming lib and feathering his and Michelle's nest a la the Clintons.

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Meanwhile the libs are secretly cursing themselves for being so absolutely crazy stupid falling for the prez [email protected] and voting for him not just once but twice.

You can't fix stupid.
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Meanwhile the libs are secretly cursing themselves for being so absolutely crazy stupid falling for the prez [email protected] and voting for him not just once but twice.

You can't fix stupid.


LM doubles down on O'Reilly's talking points, most of which have been proven to be false.
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O'Reilly should have been shunned.

The President still has terrible PR advisors.

Ken
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O'Reilly should have been shunned.

The President still has terrible PR advisors.

Ken


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You mean like Congress, the Constitution and SCOTUS?

Consistent at least.

W
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O'Reilly should have been shunned. The President still has terrible PR advisors. --Ken

LOL Do you really think that he listened to his advisors without thinking about what would happen with Bill O'Reilly? He's already had an interview with him and others at Fox News. It's always the same. They don't intimidate him. Those interviews are recorded forever and will show a little slice of history, of what it was like to be President at this moment in time. They only reflect badly on Fox News.

Barack Obama is just a man like anyone else. He has his positive points and his negative. He's made mistakes, most especially he trusted his Health team to roll out the ACA better than they did. That mistake was huge, but years from now it won't really matter. Obama has been taking the long view his whole political career. Sometimes that is to the detriment of what is happening at the moment, sometimes that is to the positive for this country and the world. From everything I've seen, the detriment is minor, but if it is a major historical mistake, he did what he thought was right. He has done the best he could for these times, for his circumstances.
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O'Reilly should have been shunned.

The President still has terrible PR advisors.

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Well they can't go on Chris Matthews show all the time with questions written by Carney. Eventually he'll have to be asked an actual question.

Regardless I guess it doesn't matter if he's lying to Matthews or lying to O'Reilly.
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... From everything I've seen, the detriment is minor, but if it is a major historical mistake, he did what he thought was right. He has done the best he could for these times, for his circumstances.


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You forgot this....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJo7x9y3D4

W
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Obama continued the tradition of appearing on the network of whatever station carries the S-bowl on game day. This was his 6th consecutive year doing it. The last time he faced Bill O. was 2011. He likely knew there'd be Benghazi, the wobbly ACA rollout/not firing Sebelius, IRS scrutiny of conservative groups, and "you can keep your health plan" on Bill's menu--and he would have been right. One testy exchange (among several):

"Your detractors believe you did not tell the world Benghazi was a terror attack."-------->"They believe it because folks like you tell them that. These things keep surfacing because you and your station promote them."

Before the taping of the interview, O'Reilly said to cohort Megyn Kelly that he was "not nervous." He added, "He is not a bad guy. I think people misread him."

....definitely a claim that Bill can't make about himself...
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He's made mistakes, most especially he trusted his Health team to roll out the ACA better than they did.

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Didn't he pick the team? It's not like someone else said "here's your team"...although I think the team deserves more credit than they get. Given such a bad piece of legislaton, nobody could have made it look good.
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By waving his executive order pen around

You must mean that executive order pen that he's waved around fewer times than Bush, fewer times than Clinton, fewer times than Reagan?

That executive order pen?
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By waving his executive order pen around

You must mean that executive order pen that he's waved around fewer times than Bush, fewer times than Clinton, fewer times than Reagan?

That executive order pen?

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No, NO, NO!

The executive pen that has been overridden more times than any other POTUS in history.

So much for a constitutional law expert.

W
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You must mean that executive order pen that he's waved around fewer times than Bush, fewer times than Clinton, fewer times than Reagan?

That executive order pen?
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Once again, the simplest of life's lessons escape Demlib's grasp

It's not the size of the pen it's how you use it.

But keep repeating the same fact, to cover what is a lie, it is what you are good at.
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George Bernard Shaw had it right.

"...and the pig likes it."

I'm sure O'Reilly is delirious that he got face time before the Superbowl, and got to argue with the President.
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Meanwhile the libs are secretly cursing themselves for being so absolutely crazy stupid falling for the prez [email protected] and voting for him not just once but twice.

You can't fix stupid.


Secretly? Nah. That implies a level of self-awareness. These guys don't question who they're told to support or what they're told to post. Ever. Goes double for the former Americans now in "training" abroad.
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Still waiting on a lib to produce a Republican President who openly brags about his crappy relationship with Congress and who makes bypassing them the central marketing message for his second term.
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You must mean that executive order pen that he's waved around fewer times than Bush, fewer times than Clinton, fewer times than Reagan?

That executive order pen?



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The difference being Bush, Reagan and even Clinton's executive pens were not hell-bent in destroying America. No one can say the same for the prez.
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The difference being Bush, Reagan and even Clinton's executive pens were not hell-bent in destroying America. No one can say the same for the prez.
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Think about those two sentences. You honestly think (OK, honestly might be too strong a term) or assert, that the President of the USA wants to destroy America? Seriously?

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Bill
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Think about those two sentences. You honestly think (OK, honestly might be too strong a term) or assert, that the President of the USA wants to destroy America? Seriously?

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?


No, she doesn't. But trust me, most of us don't want to live in Lurker Mom's America, so her comments are safely ignored.
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Still waiting on a lib to produce a Republican President who openly brags about his crappy relationship with Congress and who makes bypassing them the central marketing message for his second term.

Why are you waiting for this?

First, Obama did not do this either. You have simply made up that story. You have completely mis-characterized tough talk to the least productive and most obstructionist Congress in recent history to support your ill-informed world view. Now, like a teenage sports fan, you are yelling your taunts to the people you see as the opposition to your Party. I assume you have also painted you body red and are standing in front of your neighborhood holding up a sign filled with misspelled taunts denouncing democrats and/or Obama.

Second, why would it matter? Surely even an ill-informed dimwit who makes every decision based on a Party First philosophy understands that many Presidents have had serious feuds with Congress and used all of the powers available to them to bypass the Congress they see as an obstacle. It is no secret when this is happening. The Press talks about it. The Congress talks about it. Many (if not all) of the Presidents who have utilized such procedures warned Congress that they would use executive powers to get something done or to block Congressional effort to undo something they favor. That, if fact, is all that Obama did.

So wait all you want. No one is going to answer your ridiculous question because . . . well . . . because it is ridiculous. Irrelevant, sad and pathetic even.
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The difference being Bush, Reagan and even Clinton's executive pens were not hell-bent in destroying America. No one can say the same for the prez.
Lukermom

You mean like,

"Unfortunately, Congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. This brinkmanship threatens the holders of government bonds and those who rely on Social Security and veterans benefits. Interest rates would skyrocket, instability would occur in financial markets, and the federal deficit would soar. The United States has a special responsibility to itself and the world to meet its obligations. It means we have a well-earned reputation for reliability and credibility -- two things that set us apart from much of the world."

Ronald Reagan
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Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

I doubt it. Probably a variant of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
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.......ill-informed dimwit. I love it.

Good for the President to lock horns with O'Reilly. Keeps him on his toes smacking O'Reilly about a bit.


Jimbo
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Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Bill

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Tell us why the prez has turned a bad situation into disaster. How can such disaster be anything but deliberated?
The prez has run out of excuses. He even stopped blaming Bush for his failed leadership, No one buys that lie anymore. Oh, but the prez now blames FOXNews and Rush...lol.

And now we know you have bought into the FOS prez. Sad.
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Tell us why the prez has turned a bad situation into disaster.

I was taking a nap. Did I miss a disaster? What happened?
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Tell us why the prez has turned a bad situation into disaster.

I was taking a nap. Did I miss a disaster? What happened?

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Haven't you seen what the prez has done to the DOW? The libs here gave the prez kudos when the DOW was up...but nary a word what the prez has done now...'DOW SINKS 300-PLUS'. ;)
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Who has the foolishness to consider O'Reilly a journalist (besides himself) and let him near the President of the United States?

Well, he's more a journalist than "Rev." Al Sharpton (for example) at MSNBC, which purports to be a news outlet.

After graduating from high school in 1967, O'Reilly attended Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York. While at Marist, O'Reilly was a writer for the school's newspaper, The Circle. An honors student, he majored in history. He spent his junior year of college abroad, attending Queen Mary College at the University of London. O'Reilly received his bachelor of arts degree in history in 1971. After graduating from Marist College at age 21, O'Reilly moved to Miami, Florida, where he taught English and history at Monsignor Pace High School from 1970 to 1972. O'Reilly returned to school in 1973 and earned a master of arts degree in broadcast journalism from Boston University. While attending Boston University, he was a reporter and columnist for various local newspapers and alternative news weeklies, including The Boston Phoenix, and did an internship in the newsroom of WBZ-TV. In 1995, having established himself as a national media personality, O'Reilly was accepted to Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government; he received a master of public administration degree in 1996.

Just because you don't like O'Reilly's politics doesn't mean he's not a credentialed journalist. He is.
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They only reflect badly on Fox News.

Nonsense. Fox News is the ONLY news outlet that CONSISTENTLY has pundits from the OTHER SIDE in to debate the issues.
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Did I miss a disaster? What happened?
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Haven't you seen what the prez has done to the DOW?


The Prez doesn't control the Dow. Anyway, the Dow is UP more than 100% since Obama took office. That's hardly a disaster.
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"Still waiting on a lib to produce a Republican President who openly brags about his crappy relationship with Congress"

Why would a liberal give life to your crappy, misinformed, misrepresented strawman?
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".... trust me, most of us don't want to live in Lurker Mom's America, so her comments are safely ignored."

That's the key, "Lurker Mom's America". Obama is actively working to destroy it by destroying the Tea Party fantasies about:

Their own innate superiority,
Their claims to be more "American" than other Americans,
Their consequent entitlement to government subsidies vs handouts for everyone else,
The list goes on and on.

Yes, every day that Obama is not the miserable failure George Bush was, he is destroying the America that exists in the minds of the Teabaggers.

V.
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Just because you don't like O'Reilly's politics doesn't mean he's not a credentialed journalist. He is.

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He was. What he does now is sleazy entertainment for the right wing nutters. It isn't anything like actual journalism.
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Nonsense. Fox News is the ONLY news outlet that CONSISTENTLY has pundits from the OTHER SIDE in to debate the issues.

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When did that start?
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Yes, every day that Obama is not the miserable failure George Bush was, he is destroying the America that exists in the minds of the Teabaggers.

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Undoubtedly a very good thing.
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Why would a liberal give life to your crappy, misinformed, misrepresented strawman?

Such an angry little man.
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Yes, every day that Obama is not the miserable failure George Bush was, he is destroying the America that exists in the minds of the Teabaggers.

V.

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You know what is so very queer about what you write....?

Obama himself accused O'Reilly of "promoting" the negative stuff he reports on, yet you and Obama promote all the evil of Bush in order to get elected, then resume most of it, yet still think you are full of.....hope and change.

It just doesn't get any stranger than that.

Or is it just hypocritical at its claim?

W
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Obama himself accused O'Reilly of "promoting" the negative stuff he reports on, yet you and Obama promote all the evil of Bush in order to get elected, then resume most of it, yet still think you are full of.....hope and change.

It just doesn't get any stranger than that.


They're full of something, all right.

Been a great day on PA: a lot of the leading intellectuals have crawled out and are putting their "gifts" on display. Including the ones, "training" in other countries right now. Today must be refill day at the 'ol Zyprexa pharmacy.
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The Prez doesn't control the Dow. Anyway, the Dow is UP more than 100% since Obama took office. That's hardly a disaster.

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Your side thinks he does considering all the credit they gave him a couple weeks more or less ago. So according to what you're saying the prez has nothing to do with the DOW being up 100% since taking Office. Spread the word and educate the libs here.
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You must mean that executive order pen that he's waved around fewer times than Bush, fewer times than Clinton, fewer times than Reagan?

Still stuck on the quantity, not the content, eh, GH? Typical lib.
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Your side thinks he does considering all the credit they gave him a couple weeks more or less ago.

I saw one or two people giving him credit for the rise in the Dow. Just as I am seeing one or two people now saying that the drop in the Dow is Obama's fault.

Most of us (on both sides) know better.
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Most of us (on both sides) know better.


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But not all of the time...or even most of it.

Strategy and all.

W
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The Prez doesn't control the Dow. Anyway, the Dow is UP more than 100% since Obama took office. That's hardly a disaster.

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Your side thinks he does...


I don't have a side. Anyway, what is this disaster you're talking about?
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But not all of the time...or even most of it.

Strategy and all.


I don't know about you, Willy, but I've consistently said, even when Bush was president, that presidents can take only a small amount of credit or blame for what occurs in the stock markets.
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I don't know about you, Willy, but I've consistently said, even when Bush was president, that presidents can take only a small amount of credit or blame for what occurs in the stock markets.


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Didn't you recently chime in about how much the DOW or market was up while Obama "has been" president, without directly affirming direct credit?


I commented how Bush gave the buying op and Obama gave the selling op....went over most everyone's head.

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Didn't you recently chime in about how much the DOW or market was up while Obama "has been" president, without directly affirming direct credit?

Nope. Matter of fact, I've recently criticized those who tie Obama to a positive performance of the stock market.
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"Tell us why the prez has turned a bad situation into disaster."


Jeez, are you serious here?

2008 was just a "bad situation" while we are currently experiencing a "disaster"?

You want to rethink that comment?
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"You know what is so very queer about what you write....?

Obama himself accused O'Reilly of "promoting" the negative stuff he reports on, yet you and Obama promote all the evil of Bush in order to get elected, then resume most of it.."


I missed it, did Obama start another war?
Is he filling the ranks of government with his incompetent pals?
Is he busting the budget?
Are we still engaged in torture?

Obama is doing pretty much what he said he would do. He said we needed to be in Afghanistan, not Iraq. He got us out of Iraq and did a surge in Afghanistan.

Obama said he would hunt OBL down, even if it meant attacking him in Pakistan. He did that and has been aggressively taking down OBL's organization all over the world.

RE the spying stuff, 20 years ago I had a business intelligence consultant that was ex-CIA. None of what is coming to light is either new or surprising.

V.
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It appears stupid, ignorant, incredibly biased, and incapable of comprehending facts that do not comport with its distorted world view. No point in responding.

Wessex
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Your side thinks he does considering all the credit they gave him a couple weeks more or less ago. So according to what you're saying the prez has nothing to do with the DOW being up 100% since taking Office. Spread the word and educate the libs here.


Over the course of several years, the president has some influence on the stock market, but under normal circumstances, the vast majority of stock market fluctuations have nothing to do with him.
Stock market valuations oscillate around a long-term trend, and presidents usually have relativey little influence on that trend.

Starting a war (Gulf War I) can have large effects on the stock market, but usually that is only temporary, a fairly typical example of an oscillation that is basically meaningless.
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Jeez, are you serious here?

2008 was just a "bad situation" while we are currently experiencing a "disaster"?

You want to rethink that comment?


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Jeez...are you serious? Millions of more Americans out of work and practically no jobs to be had, not to mention the countless number of workers who have given up looking for work. We have record numbers of Americans on food stamps plus using a number of other government help agencies. Millions of Americans have lost their health care because of Ocare. Thousands of Americans have lost their homes and used up their retirement savings to live on plus all the useless programs the prez introduced such as cash for clunkers. I could go on and on of the failed prez and the disasters he has caused for the American people. I won't even go into the fact of the prez being a useless, worthless cic.

Get serious and face the fact the prez is the worst prezident ever!
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Most of us (on both sides) know better.

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So true. Those that want to blame Obama for a drop in the Dow while simultaneously avowing that he gets no credit for a rise in the Dow show a truly stunning ignorance. Neither is true, but partisan cherry picking is just stupid.
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It appears stupid, ignorant, incredibly biased, and incapable of comprehending facts that do not comport with its distorted world view.

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How appropriate in a thread about Bill O'Reilly.
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Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Bill


Clearly he doesn't. Sheesh!!

Dave
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Haven't you seen what the prez has done to the DOW?



You mean the fact that it's gone up 25% a year since he took office?
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Haven't you seen what the prez has done to the DOW?



You mean the fact that it's gone up 25% a year since he took office?


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Bill Z has said that the sitting President and the status of the DOW basically have no influence on each other.

You lose.

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You mean the fact that it's gone up 25% a year since he took office?


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Oh? Felix said the prez does not control the DOW...The prez can't take credit for it. Try another spin feedme...
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".... trust me, most of us don't want to live in Lurker Mom's America, so her comments are safely ignored."

That's the key, "Lurker Mom's America". Obama is actively working to destroy it by destroying the Tea Party fantasies about:

Their own innate superiority,
Their claims to be more "American" than other Americans,
Their consequent entitlement to government subsidies vs handouts for everyone else,
The list goes on and on.

Yes, every day that Obama is not the miserable failure George Bush was, he is destroying the America that exists in the minds of the Teabaggers.

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First of all Vetiver, if you want to speak of me why link onto a post that is not mine?

So, are you happier with this prez america?


http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/130-unempl...

http://townhall.com/columnists/donaldlambro/2013/03/29/black...

And of course there are more examples of the prez america, so it doesn't surprise me you must dis the Tea Party people...you need someone to blame for the prez disasters he has done to the American people.
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"First of all Vetiver, if you want to speak of me why link onto a post that is not mine?"

Frankly, LM, you have been in the penalty box for quite a while and I don't see your posts. You've been there since that prolonged debate about Obama's Columbia grades where you said I mad some promise to show Obama's grades. When I asked you where I said that, instead of quoting me, you quoted yourself saying I had promised to sow Obama's Columbia grades. So, there is not much point in having a discussion with you.

V.
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"First of all Vetiver, if you want to speak of me why link onto a post that is not mine?"

Frankly, LM, you have been in the penalty box for quite a while and I don't see your posts. You've been there since that prolonged debate about Obama's Columbia grades where you said I mad some promise to show Obama's grades. When I asked you where I said that, instead of quoting me, you quoted yourself saying I had promised to sow Obama's Columbia grades. So, there is not much point in having a discussion with you.

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lol...now that's a hoot...quoting me and avoiding me at the same time while spreading your lies about me. Sorry I up set you. You couldn't answer my questions back then and you are avoiding answering my questions now.

I asked...

"So, are you happier with this prez america?"

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/130-unempl...

http://townhall.com/columnists/donaldlambro/2013/03/29/black...

And I added, "And of course there are more examples of the prez america, so it doesn't surprise me you must dis the Tea Party people...you need someone to blame for the prez disasters he has done to the American people."

You have no problem saying your nasties about me and the Tea Party people so what is your problem now answering my questions? Apparently you are not use to having the truth smacked at you on how the prez has failed your, our fellow Americans.

That's OK...go hide behind the p-box. It's easier than facing the truth about the prez.
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...you need someone to blame for the prez disasters he has done to the American people.

What disasters? Unemployment is lower than when he took office. The rate of growth of the debt is the lowest since Eisenhower. A full-blown depression was averted. For the wealthier folks, the stock market has fully recovered and set new highs. We're out of Iraq. People can no longer be dropped from their insurance just because they get sick. People with preexisting conditions are able to get coverage.

Off the top of my head. I could probably write more if I hit the google.

I can't say I'm happy with everything Obama has done. But it's a damned sight better than his predecessor (low bar, I know).

The only disaster I see is the GOP**-controlled House (which is starting to rattle its saber again about shutting down government over the debt ceiling...when that worked so well for them the last time they did that...and the time before...).

1poorguy

**Treason Party...errrr...Tea Party!!
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"What disasters? Unemployment is lower than when he took office. The rate of growth of the debt is the lowest since Eisenhower. A full-blown depression was averted. For the wealthier folks, the stock market has fully recovered and set new highs. We're out of Iraq. People can no longer be dropped from their insurance just because they get sick. People with preexisting conditions are able to get coverage."

That's a good list, and no one rational would be unhappy about those developments. Of course, that leaves out the nutters who, well, don't think rationally.

"I can't say I'm happy with everything Obama has done. But it's a damned sight better than his predecessor (low bar, I know)."

Me sentiments exactly. I've never been 100% happy with any President, but Obama is a big improvement over the last prez.
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"Millions of more Americans out of work and practically no jobs to be had, not to mention the countless number of workers who have given up looking for work."


Huh? Do you actually follow the economy? Do you have any idea what actually happened in 2008? Comparing that to today is just ludicrous.
Do you understand how close the economy came to total meltdown in the fall of 2008?
Do you understand how close the nation's biggest banks came to going under?
Do you recall losing half a million jobs a month,, like clockwork?
Do you recall the stock market dropping more than 50%?
Any recollection of the housing market crash? Just so you know, that crash occurred in 2008/2009...not 2013/2014.

You can argue that the GOP could have done a better job of turning that around but to argue that the current economy is WORSE than what we dealt with in 2008 is laughable and destroys your credibility.
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Do you understand how close the economy came to total meltdown in the fall of 2008?
and etc, etc
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Do you understand the prez campaigned for over two years for the prez job? He said he could fix ALL of Bush's mistakes and get American's economy back and Americans back to work...As I said, the prez turned a bad situation into disaster. The prez is a failure.
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Here is another link for you Vetiver...I'm waiting for you to tell me how wonderful you think the prez america is...
Or are you still hiding behind the p-box and afraid to face the reality of the failed prez?

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2014/01/14...
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What disasters? Unemployment is lower than when he took office.

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Oh sure...

"Curious why despite the huge miss in payrolls the unemployment rate tumbled from 7.0% to 6.7%? The reason is because in December the civilian labor force did what it usually does in the New Normal: it dropped from 155.3 million to 154.9 million, which means the labor participation rate just dropped to a fresh 35 year low, hitting levels not seen since 1978, at 62.8% down from 63.0%."

"The jobless, laborless recovery continues to steam on."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-10/people-not-labor-fo...

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/number-working-age-america...


No need to read further of your skewed facts...when 92 million Americans are not working, and only 74,000 jobs were created in December.
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Still waiting on a lib to produce a Republican President who openly brags about his crappy relationship with Congress

President and congress is not expected to go along, at least that's the principle behind the "checks and balance" of the system.

I have seen congress passing bi-partisan bills, but this is the only congress which relies on the minority to pass any bills.

Besides 50 times voting against ACA, is there any meaningful bills passed with republican votes by the house?

It is a shame that Boehner is the speaker, he should cede it to Pelosi because she is the one who is delivering the votes.
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"Here is another link for you Vetiver...I'm waiting for you to tell me how wonderful you think the prez america is..."

Apparently, you don't read my posts either. A lot of folk on the left are not particularly happy with Obama, myself included. In particular, in negotiations, he tends to start by giving something away that could be negotiated. Specifically with respect to the economy, the original stimulus was half what it needed to be and a third of it was tax cuts that were not particularly stimulative at all. since then, any attempt at improving the economy has been thwarted by the republicans. So, yes, I am unhappy with what he did 5 years ago but the current drift in the economy is due to republican intransigence. He has also failed to deliver on any climate change action and the dream act. He failed to close gitmo, but only because congress intervened directly.

He has:
1)extracted us from Iraq,
2)avoided "boots on the ground" wars in Libya, Syria, Iran
3)reversed the employment situation from loosing 750K jobs per month to gaining jobs,
4) Avoided any scandals such as Katrina, or the Plame affair (I'm sorry, I don't see the IRS thing or Benghazi as anything of significance at the white house level, or really anything at all),
5) Made the first significant improvement in public health since medicare,
6) made significant improvements to women and minority rights (two more women on the supreme court, the Lilly Ledbetter Act, the end of don't ask don't tell and significant progress toward marriage equality for gay folk)
7) Killed OBL and largely disabled alqueda,
8) Managed to trim the military budget,
9) Ended torture

V.
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Cogent comment on LurkerMom's linked article about the black unemployment rate:

Dear suckaz, er, Blacks, we meant to help you, but after getting your vote in 2012, you're simply no longer relevant. Wait until we need you again in 2014. We'll scare you with more racist bogeymen, then we'll go back to pretending you matter to us. Love, the Democrat party
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CC: Nonsense. Fox News is the ONLY news outlet that CONSISTENTLY has pundits from the OTHER SIDE on to debate the issues.

NW: When did that start?

Since Day One. As you obviously don't watch Fox, you wouldn't know, but the Fox network employs or has employed the following libruls and is the reason Fox has a reputation for being "fair and balanced." (I'm sure I've missed some.)

Bob Beckel
James Carville
Eleanor Clift
Alan Colmes
Susan Estrich
Santita Jackson
Marvin Kalm
Dennis Kucinich
Howard Kurtz
Mara Liasson
Kirsten Powers
Geraldo Rivera
Simon Rosenberg
Bill Schulz
Shepard Smith
Juan Williams

"The Five" is described as a “roundtable ensemble of five rotating FOX personalities." Most often, the show pits Bob Beckel, a consistent defender of every Democratic Party talking point, against a panel of conservative or libertarian opponents. "The Five" features Bob Beckel, Greg Gutfeld, Juan Williams, Dana Perino, Andrew Napolitano, Geraldo Rivera, Andrea Tantaros, Eric Bolling, Monica Crowley and Kimberly Guilfoyle.

How many conservatives do they have on MSNBC? Zero. It's more of the same, two sides of the same coin, every single day. Blah blah blah blah...
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Bill O'Reilly interrupts and badgers the President… ~lindytoes

Nonsense. O'Reilly gave Baracky every opportunity to fully deflect and obfuscate and Baracky predictably did so.
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Cogent comment on LurkerMom's linked article about the black unemployment rate:

Dear suckaz, er, Blacks, we meant to help you, but after getting your vote in 2012, you're simply no longer relevant. Wait until we need you again in 2014. We'll scare you with more racist bogeymen, then we'll go back to pretending you matter to us. Love, the Democrat party

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How true, how SAD.
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He has:
"1)extracted us from Iraq,"

On President Bush's time table and the prez failed with the negotiations bungling the Iraq withdraw.

"2)avoided "boots on the ground" wars in Libya, Syria, Iran"

And the prez turned his back on the Iranian people when they begged for his help. Iran will end up keeping their their nuke policies.
Meanwhile the prez drones are killing innocent civilians.

3)reversed the employment situation from loosing 750K jobs per month to gaining jobs,

You failed to mention the 90 plus million Americans who have no job and those who gave up looking for work.

"4) Avoided any scandals such as Katrina, or the Plame affair (I'm sorry, I don't see the IRS thing or Benghazi as anything of significance at the white house level, or really anything at all),"

The prez lied, skewed and practically out and out ignored the disasters happening in his admin. And of course the prez minions were out there covering and lying for him. The scandals are there but ignored by the left/libs/dems.

"5) Made the first significant improvement in public health since medicare,"

You've got to be kidding. Ocare is a disaster and you know it but won't admit to it.

"6) made significant improvements to women and minority rights (two more women on the supreme court, the Lilly Ledbetter Act, the end of don't ask don't tell and significant progress toward marriage equality for gay folk)"

Women had their rights before the prez happened along. Bush 41 put Clarence Thomas on the SC and I don't have to go into how the left/dems tried to and continue trying to destroy the first Black man on the SC. Even his own people call him "Uncle Tom." Shameful.
So much for the Ledbetter Act.
"But even with the passage of Ledbetter, the pay gap remains a stubbornly persistent problem."

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/29/1508421/ledbette...

I'll give you the don't ask, don't tell change. The prez did something right.

"7) Killed OBL and largely disabled alqueda,"

Stop it. We gained nothing with the killing of OBL and alqueda is stronger then ever and spreading in Iraq.

"8) Managed to trim the military budget,"

Yes, he is hurting our men and women in the military with his cuts. Reduced their pensions etc. and the VA is in shambles.

"9) Ended torture"

Meanwhile the perpetrators of 9/11 who killed 3000 Americans continue to live at Club Gitmo enjoying their fancy soccer field, plus a number of other perks and still managing to get their propaganda out.
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CC: Nonsense. Fox News is the ONLY news outlet that CONSISTENTLY has pundits from the OTHER SIDE on to debate the issues.

NW: When did that start?

CC: Since Day One. As you obviously don't watch Fox, you wouldn't know, but the Fox network employs or has employed the following libruls and is the reason Fox has a reputation for being "fair and balanced."

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The real reason that you think Fox has that reputation is that they have told you so endlessly. Fox watchers will say so, but no one else believes it. They have no such reputation. You've been successfully absorbed by the collective Fox. They use a proven formula to manipulate people like you into being followers. They use a proven formula for perpetuating whatever Roger Ailes thinks should be true - regardless of the actual truth. It is laughable, it is so wrong. Those that aren't true believers like you can easily see that Fox 'News' has a decidedly right wing bias, and it is clearly deliberate.

That you think they are fair and balanced because they have employed "libruls" over the years shows his well they have done their job. You are Borg.
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The real reason that you think Fox has that reputation is that they have told you so endlessly. Fox watchers will say so, but no one else believes it. They have no such reputation. You've been successfully absorbed by the collective Fox. They use a proven formula to manipulate people like you into being followers. They use a proven formula for perpetuating whatever Roger Ailes thinks should be true - regardless of the actual truth. It is laughable, it is so wrong. Those that aren't true believers like you can easily see that Fox 'News' has a decidedly right wing bias, and it is clearly deliberate.


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lol...Is there no end to the groveling? You have nothing to back up the lies you are spreading.

FOXNEWS--> The most watched Cable News outlet in history
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Cogent comment on LurkerMom's linked article about the black unemployment rate:

Dear suckaz, er, Blacks, we meant to help you, but after getting your vote in 2012, you're simply no longer relevant. Wait until we need you again in 2014. We'll scare you with more racist bogeymen, then we'll go back to pretending you matter to us. Love, the Democrat party

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How true, how SAD.
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Perhaps true in some manner. But truth would acknowledge that they never not even a little meant to help. Liberal may fall for that poop, but liberal politicians really are not out to help anyone. If watching Obama does not convince folks of that, I do not know what will.
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LM, what a head shaker your response was. A few points you may or may not reply to but I have better things than debate someone living on their own planet.

"And the prez turned his back on the Iranian people when they begged for his help.."
So, anytime anyone has a problem with their government, the US is obligated to invade that country?

"The prez lied, skewed and practically out and out ignored the disasters happening in his admin."
Which disasters were these? did thousands of people die as in Iraq or at the World Trade center, or in New Orleans post Katrina? Were millions of jobs lost such as in the 2008 collapse? Were trillions of dollars of the country's wealth consumed such as Iraq or the 2008 collapse.

"We gained nothing with the killing of OBL"
no comment needed.

"Bush 41 put Clarence Thomas on the SC and I don't have to go into how the left/dems tried to and continue trying to destroy the first Black man on the SC."
I get it now; this is all a joke. Honestly, I have yet to hear any of democratic criticism of Thurgood Marshall.

V.
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"Do you understand the prez campaigned for over two years for the prez job?"

We're not debating the job the president has done or the promises he made. We are debating one simple point of the argument.

Just tell me which period you believe was worse for the US economy, 2008/2009 or 2013/2014. Feel free to back up your argument with statistics.
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If you look at the U6 statistic (which includes those who have given up) you will get the same result. Unemployment is lower than December 2008. Feel free to check Dept of Labor stats if you don't believe me.

But I do agree we need more job creation. Get your GOP leaders to stop squelching the economy and maybe we can get some.
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And just to hand-hold you through this...here's a simple to read graph of U6.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

Notice how in the beginning of 2009 when Obama was inaugurated the number is on the order of 14%. Today it's on the order of 13%. It still sucks, but it is lower (despite the non-stop obstructionism from Congress).

Note also that the decline from the peak is relatively steady. If it continues like that we'll be around 10.5% by the time he leaves office and Hillary takes over.
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Just tell me which period you believe was worse for the US economy, 2008/2009 or 2013/2014. Feel free to back up your argument with statistics.

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"WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The U.S. recession that began in December 2007 ended in June 2009, making the 18-month slump the longest since the Great Depression, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research."

Why are you leaving out the time period of 2009-2012? That is the time period all the prez promises went to hell. The prez inherited a bad situation and turned it into disaster. There is no need for me to come up with links. It is fact and you know it.

2013-2014?

The ADP´s January National Employment Report estimates 175,000 workers were hired by private-sector firms in January. Market economists were looking for a 185,000 estimate.
175,000 jobs, a mere pittance, a drop in the bucket for the 92 million Americans who don't have a job or just gave p looking for work because there are no jobs to be had.

snip
"Five Years after Market Crash, U.S. Economy Seen as ‘No More Secure’
Household Incomes, Jobs Seen as Lagging in Recovery

Five years after the U.S. economy faced its most serious crisis since the Great Depression, a majority of Americans (63%) say the nation’s economic system is no more secure today than it was before the 2008 market crash. Just a third (33%) think the system is more secure now than it was then.

Large percentages say household incomes and jobs still have yet to recover from the economic recession. And when asked about the impact of government efforts to deal with the recession, far more believe that economic policies have benefitted large banks, corporations and the rich than the middle-class, the poor or small businesses."

more
http://www.people-press.org/2013/09/12/five-years-after-mark...

In other words the prez has fixed little to nothing as far as the economy goes.
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LM, what a head shaker your response was. A few points you may or may not reply to but I have better things than debate someone living on their own planet.

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Oh so your rebuttal is reduced to swipes and insults while the rest of your reply is nothing more than rambling and straw men.

Talk about waste of time...put me back in your p-box. In the future though, if you dis me again please be man enough to link to my post instead of "talking behind my back".
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PS: V, I took the time to reply to each of your points. I also replied to your nasty retort in a civil manner what you considered "my America."
I have yet to hear back from you what you think of the prez america along with the links I gave you. tia though...and not really expecting your reply since you keep dodging the question.
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"Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?"

Clearly unaware. One of the reasons that you can't fix stupid is that step 1 requires awareness.
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"The U.S. recession that began in December 2007 ended in June 2009, making the 18-month slump the longest since the Great Depression,"

You made my argument FOR me. Where are your stats that show things are now worse than they were then?

"The ADP´s January National Employment Report estimates 175,000 workers were hired by private-sector firms in January. Market economists were looking for a 185,000 estimate."

Not great but a whole lot better than the period you cited from 2007 to 2009.
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"The U.S. recession that began in December 2007 ended in June 2009, making the 18-month slump the longest since the Great Depression,"

You made my argument FOR me. Where are your stats that show things are now worse than they were then?


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My point was the recession ended 5 months after President Bush left Office. From that time onward the prez unemployment rate rose to a whopping 10%. Not counted were those who fell off the unemployment rolls. This indicates the prez turned a bad situation into disaster.

Five years later under the prez watch we have 92 million unemployed Americans. Those who no longer qualify for unemployment and can't find work plus those who just gave up looking for employment are no longer counted for among the unemployed. Thus the percentage rate says the unemployment rate is now better, which is a farce...but you know that...
Your argument is moot because the numbers are skewed.
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"My point was the recession ended 5 months after President Bush left Office. From that time onward the prez unemployment rate rose to a whopping 10%."

Are you suggesting that Obama should have ended the recession and turned the employment picture around the day he first took his coat off in the Oval Office?

If so, then I assume you believe that the 2000/2001 recession was the fault of George Bush?
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"My point was the recession ended 5 months after President Bush left Office. From that time onward the prez unemployment rate rose to a whopping 10%."

Are you suggesting that Obama should have ended the recession and turned the employment picture around the day he first took his coat off in the Oval Office?

If so, then I assume you believe that the 2000/2001 recession was the fault of George Bush?

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Bush inherited the Clinton recession. The prez inherited the Bush recession.

Three years into the Bush presidency (and don't forget what the 9/11 terrorist attack did to the economy)

"Largely as a result of the president's tax-rate cuts, the recovery has moved into higher gear. The economy grew 6.1 percent in the second half of 2003, and 4.3 percent over the four quarters of 2003 — well above potential GDP growth. Business fixed investment in the fourth quarter of 2003 was revised upward to a 9.6 percent annual rate from 6.9 percent. The stock market has now returned to the level it was at when President Bush took office, which means that all the losses that occurred since March 2000 happened under President Clinton. In January, the economy generated 112,000 new jobs — the largest monthly increase since December 2000 — and 366,000 jobs have been added over the last 5 months. The unemployment rate has declined from 6.3 percent in June 2003 to 5.6 percent in January of this year, the fastest seven-month decline in nearly a decade.

Five years into the prez term?...lol...no, never mind, it's not funny.


http://old.nationalreview.com/nrof_comment/conda200403050902...
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"I took the time to reply to each of your points.... "

OK LM, one more reply, then I'm done. Contrary to your assumption, you never left my penalty box. I only see your posts when they are a direct reply to mine, otherwise I never see them. Even then, I may (and inevitably do)choose not to reply... Especially when your comments are based on some premise that never gets explained or supported or directly contradicts known history, at the history of this planet. You may view that as me dodging your deep insightful questions. I view it as maintaining some semblance of a signal to noise ratio when I do comment. As passionately as you may feel about republican talking points, honestly, it seems brain-dead. The scaling with respect to what amounts to a disaster:

o doesn't directly correlate with money or expense, in-fact, the correlation is inverse
o doesn't correlate with lives lost, again the correlation is inverse
o does correlate with any presumed attachment to Obama, there or not (as in the IRS non-scandal)

I do not recall if you comments encompassed Bengazi but I do not feel that the inadequate protection of four people getting killed, three of them body guards, rises to the same level as 3,000 people getting killed in an attack we were warned about; 3,000 people given no protection at all. Your deep concern for Black people, especially for the first Black on the Supreme Court, "Clarence Thomas" sounds like something Rand Paul would say.

So, pardon me whilst I put on my noise cancelling headphones and get back to work.
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V...the history of this planet.

I haven't been able to determine her home planet, but she shares similarities with the Crab Nebula.

...it spews its innards out across the sky, creating an expanding wave of gas...

http://www.space.com/16989-crab-nebula-m1.html

proton
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So, pardon me whilst I put on my noise cancelling headphones and get back to work.

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Whatever...I take note you still did answer my question. Enjoy your p-box. It's a nice place to hide from opposing pov.
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haven't been able to determine her home planet, but she shares similarities with the Crab Nebula.

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Thank you, it warms my heart knowing I annoy you too. I do admit I enjoy your whiny, complaining posts. I sometimes even give you a rec for the long rambling ones...Your contributions to the amusement part of the Fool is appreciated, just sayin'...
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To prove my point...

LM: "Bush 41 put Clarence Thomas on the SC and I don't have to go into how the left/dems tried to and continue trying to destroy the first Black man on the SC. Even his own people call him "Uncle Tom." Shameful."


Vetiver: "Your deep concern for Black people, especially for the first Black on the Supreme Court, "Clarence Thomas" sounds like something Rand Paul would say."

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"After leaving the floor, Holmes, who is black, tried to walk back his comments about Thomas’s marriage, but maintained that the only black Supreme Court Justice is an “Uncle Tom.”"

more
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/370966/dem-lawmaker-bac...
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