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But it's worthwhile to consider that "cutting out grains and dairy" meant you were automatically consuming fewer calories regardless of whether you were counting them or not. I've read similar accounts when folk went *low-carb* and cut out all cookies, candies, soda etc. etc...

If you weren't counting these calories, you wouldn't know in reality, would'd just believe that you were probably consuming the same amount.

That's what happens when folk "believe"

That's was what I was getting at in my prior post (didn't see your response).

Btw viv--I didn't mean to disparage dentists' abilities regarding the botox injections--I am sure they are some who'd do even a better job than a PS (doing injections--botox or filler--is an art as much as a science), but I wouldn't want my dentist doing my filler/botox (even though it would be immeasurably more convenient to get a cleaning/checkup and a botox touch-up all in one fell swoop), and I wouldn't let my plastic surgeon do a root canal or crown on me either. Each has their own specialties and I respect that delineation.
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