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One of the few upsides of the wildly corrupt trump administration is that it exposed the many serious weaknesses in our laws, how limp and impotent the enforcement has been, and it demonstrated how easy it is for criminal minds to subvert our democracy. It was astounding how badly this nation was damaged in a mere four years by a low life pervert grifter from Queens.

The downside is that if the republicans take back the House/Senate/White House they'll use that information as blueprints for future criminality, and there's no doubt that they'll resist any fixes the democrats propose.

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Cue Republicans screeching about a "Democrat power grab!" once they begin to re-write this law. It's always projection with these people.

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This reminds me of a gag from a British comedy I saw recently.

Char1: “I have an idea that is so crazy, so insane, that it just might work.”
Char2: “I’d prefer a plan that is so well thought out it couldn’t possibly fail.”
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Republicans in Congress have repeatedly blocked efforts by Democrats to alter election laws in the wake of the 2020 crisis

Oh Bull[redacted].

The minority party has "repeatedly blocked efforts"? Democrats need to get a grip and stop blaming the GQP for their inability to pass meaningful legislation as the majority party in Washington. They are just as much to blame for this failure of our government as the Republicans. And the Democratic base (mostly the moderate/corporate DEMS) are just as irrational in their blind support of "my party over that other one". If Democrats were confronting their own representatives and blaming them for this disaster instead of sending them campaign funding so they can beat the other side in the next election, we might see some badly needed reform legislation. But as long as Democrats are happy whining about GQP stupidity and lies instead of focusing on fixing the actual problems that are destroying our government, we all lose.

The Republican Party has chosen to blame liberals, minorities and the Press for everything they don't like. That's stupid and non-productive. But Democrats have chosen to blame stupidity and lies of Republicans for everything they don't like. That's just as stupid and non-productive especially when they are in a majority. They have the votes to change it all, but won't.

Everyone needs to face it. Democrats fail to pass meaningful legislation because they are more focused on complaining about the GQP and collecting campaign funding than they are focused on passing reform laws. Dems in majority has not delivered for the American people.
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I suppose that is one way to spin the ReQublican's opposition to the John Lewis voting rights act.

Hypocritical, dissembling, racist, and in keeping with the content of their character.
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I wish you wouldn't say "Democrats" when you mean "a couple of Democrats."
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"I wish you wouldn't say "Democrats" when you mean "a couple of Democrats.""

Is it really just a couple??? Or did Manchin & Sinima just draw the short straws to be the public face of about 10 corrupt corporate/billionaire owned and controlled democrats & one very corporate owned and controlled President Biden.

To me the fight is now and has always been a class war.

The Oligarchs and their (Republican & Democratic) political tools do not now, nor have they ever liked true representative democracy.
To them a government by and for the people is a joke. Unless "the people" means the folks in this group (America's 740+ billionaires, 80,000+ multimillionaires and the politicians they own).


If dark vision of America is correct. Our country is about to become a Fascist/Capitalist hell on earth for 300,000,000+ Americans.
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I wish you wouldn't say "Democrats" when you mean "a couple of Democrats."

Exactly. "Nessie" would rather continue to see fascists "elected" than accept the reality that the progressive position on issues controls an insufficient number of elected Senators to pass. This "progressive" wing of the party was less than cooperative when the time came to throw all their weight behind Democratic candidates who "failed" their "purity" tests, and so the obvious result is the Senate we see today -- a painfully thin Democratic "majority."

I gave up on these self-proclaimed "progressives" back when they refused to support Hillary over Trump. They are as deluded, in their own way, as those on the right who just want to blow up the system if they can't get everything they want NOW!

So Nessie loves to blame "the Democrats" when he's partly responsible for the fact that we don't have a majority sufficient to pass legislation. His gripe, of course, is that everyone should agree with HIS positions, and that those who don't are simply "Republican Lite," in precisely the same way that the fascists are "cancelling" Liz Cheney.


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sandyleelee..

I am a Bernie/AOC progressive..

I financially support the Justice Democrat's and those from that organization in Congress and that are running for office monthly. I am a dedicated & paying TYT podcast listener..

This "Progressive" voted for both Hillary and Biden in the general election. I even vote for the crap pro-corporate Democrat tool in my congressional district in the general...

What puts me off of the main democratic party is the complicity the Corporate Democrats have in using
federal law to enforce the ability of the multinational drug companies to charge all of us 10x the going global rate for the same medication from the same factories in low wage countries. (Just one of many examples)
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What puts me off of the main democratic party is the complicity the Corporate Democrats have in using
federal law to enforce the ability of the multinational drug companies to charge all of us 10x the going global rate for the same medication from the same factories in low wage countries. (Just one of many examples)


It's good that you hold your nose and vote Democratic, because these two upcoming elections are likely to determine whether or not the country entirely caves to fascism. So please, continue to do so -- because you're right, in a practical sense. There are many Democrats who are dedicated capitalists, believing that it's the best economic system for producing adequate goods and services to provide for a massive population. They may not love the fact that it's less efficient in a just distribution of those goods and services, but they fear 1) the possibility that a more socialist approach would lose them their jobs, 2) that even democratic socialism on the scale necessary to implement the progressive dreams wouldn't work and that it may be too risky to try, and 3) they can't get elected by relying solely on contributions from the poor and lower middle class, who have traditionally been their base.

Yeah, there's certainly going to be some self-dealing among Democratic politicians -- they wouldn't be politicians if they had no ambition to make it a career. Many of them are, not incorrectly, of the opinion that if they can't get elected they can't help people at all -- and that taking political risks means giving the fascists a better chance at getting elected. Certainly, for instance, West Virginia isn't going to be electing a progressive Democrat any time soon -- if ever -- but Joe Manchin is, even if only marginally, better than a stone fascist, and without him, McConnell would hold the Senate and there would be NO hope of a firewall against the anti-democracy Republican Party.

Bitching because we can't get what we want when what we're facing is LOSING EVERYTHING is so counter-productive that it makes me want to scream. How about we save America from Fascism first, and THEN go back and try for the improvements in our various systems when we get the numbers to be able to pass the legislation to make it happen. If we fail in the first effort, the latter will be rendered forever impossible -- worse, the cruelties and injustices we see in the current system will look like heaven on earth when the fascists have instituted their rule.

There's a vaccine against the fascist virus: the Democratic Party. That is the only way out of our current ACTUAL DANGER. This is not the time to be prioritizing economic justice over the war for democracy. Without democracy, life as we've known it is over -- and not in a good way.

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I disagree..

If we don't fight for economic justice and against the corporate funded corruption that is in the American political system our representative government will also be lost.

Just without visible secret police..

The choice you seem to be offering is bow everyone's heads to the Oligarchs and their political toddies or bow everyone's heads to the Oligarchs and their political toddies without the secret police looking on.

The message of fight for economic justice and against the corporate funded corruption is a message the majority of American voters can get behind. But, most of the Democratic leadership is hobbled by their corruption from going there. Except the Progressives.

So we distracted by the culture war fight by both a corrupt Republican and corrupt Democratic party.
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Exactly. "Nessie" would rather continue to see fascists "elected" than accept the reality that the progressive position on issues controls an insufficient number of elected Senators to pass.

Now it is considered a "progressive" position to expect Democrats to support democratic voting laws and also an effort to get fascists elected? Who knew?

Honestly, do you hear yourself? Perhaps those that are offended by my pointing out that Democrats are not passing legislation that is critical to their own party's survival should stop and re-think their own knee-jerk support of Democrats whether they succeed or fail to govern our country.

"My party, drunk or sober" should be the refrain of the corporate Democrats. As long as you never expect more than the giant "nothing burger" you're getting, I guess that's a great philosophy.

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I gave up on these self-proclaimed "progressives" back when they refused to support Hillary over Trump.

I supported Hillary with donations of both time and money. I voted for Hillary. Stop lying about me.

They are as deluded, in their own way, as those on the right who just want to blow up the system if they can't get everything they want NOW!

I just want Democratic voting. I had no idea that had become a purely "progressive" idea and not acceptable to the moderate/corporate Dems like yourself. Heck, I think even Republicans should want to support Democracy. I've been very disappointed that they don't. Now I find out that you corporate DEMs do not support Democracy either. Like I said previously, "Who knew"?

I guess we will have to disagree on who is deluded, but I do have the facts on my side. Democrats are not passing legislation to change it. You simply have your own blind worship of a failing party to fall back on. But go ahead and attack those that support Democracy. See where that will get you.
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Bitching because we can't get what we want when what we're facing is LOSING EVERYTHING is so counter-productive that it makes me want to scream.

Wow! You are missing the point. If Democrats don't get busy and fix our broken election system, they are going to LOSE EVERYTHING!!! They will lose through voter suppression laws and gerrymandering that they continue to just watch get passed by the states. They will lose the Presidency only through more devious abuse of the electoral college, but that is going to happen also. The fact that the corporate DEMs will simply whine and point the finger at the progressive branch of the party (a group they have done absolutely nothing for for decades now) and call them names is a really good indication of why their failure is going to be so complete after a few more election cycles.

If Democrats want to win more (instead of less) power in Washington, they are going to have to do more than make fun of Republicans and attack their own progressive branch. They need to actually pass some legislation and protect our Democratic elections. I would think that should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. Perhaps not.
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There's a vaccine against the fascist virus: the Democratic Party.

There we go. The blind worship and declaration of loyalty to "my party drunk or sober".

I want to point out to you that while your vaccine against fascists held majority control and the Presidency in Washington, those fascists have worked in 19 states to enact 33 laws that will make it harder for Americans to vote. That's as of October. [https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voti....

Your vaccine is not very effective. We need stronger medicine or the patient will die.
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It's a sign of wisdom, when....

1.)The Corporatist Liberals come out of the closet - - the cloak it in anger and boogeymen - but nevertheless, their Corporatism comes out.


OR


2.)They come to grips - that they need to move in the direction of mainstream and MAGA.....*not* the other way around.


And here they are - after decades of "My ideals! "My principles!"......

Capital Gains and Dividend taxes -

401K and 529 and IRA benefits --

Global Trade - they are 100% Bush-Cheney, 0% John Lennon.

Academia....

*ALL favor the upper income and white*

Civil Liberties....

They are 100% John Ashcroft ...... not Russ Feingold.

They haven't said "disarmament" or "nuclear freeze" in a long time, instead they are Russia Hawks...... they are Reaganauts! Though Reagan was more conciliatory in his anti-Soviet rhetoric than today's Liberal Hawks are.

And I salute that. It takes wisdom to understand one's place on America's political totem pole.

*No TMF member is personally attacked in this post. Wisdom and evolution has been saluted *
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If nothing is done in the next 10 months or so, we can forget getting any new laws to protect democracy.

Almost all political experts, Republicans and Democrats, say the likelihood of Republicans taking control of Congress by January 2023 is extremely high.
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