Good article on HuffPo highlighting a recent study on disaffected Americans and Danes -- the 40% of the electorate that says we need to burn the house down and start over.The Democratic Party Confronts The Chaos Votehttps://www.huffpost.com/entry/democratic-party-chaos-vote_n...But for most of the primary, Democratic Party voters and their leaders in Washington have acted under the assumption that the way to win over people who voted for Trump in 2016 is to mimic him. On Capitol Hill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is trying to wrangle votes for Trump’s latest trade bill over the objections of labor unions and other liberal institutions. Every single candidate currently eligible for the next Democratic presid debate is white. There is pervasive concern that a candidate who is “too liberal” on just about any issue won’t appeal to voters in the Rust Belt. Democrats who propose big changes, the thinking goes, risk alienating people who like what Trump is doing.In that way, the Chaos Voter study does provide a welcome dose of reality. When 40% of the country says it wants to burn down the system, the safe bet is on change, not caution.</snip>intercstChaos Voter
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The question with real implications in my view for Dem voters is this:Is Trump a problem or a symptom?
Warren would fit the description of a chaos candidate.1)Medicare 4 All to disrupt private insurance grip upon health care.2)Wealth tax to disrupt income inequality3)Approved of the Trump announcement of troop withdrawal from Syria & Afghanistan disrupting US Perpetual War foreign policy. Though she did criticized Trump's failure to discuss his plans with America’s allies.
The question with real implications in my view for Dem voters is this:Is Trump a problem or a symptom? Both. Think of a blocked artery in your heart. Almost certainly a symptom of an underlying condition, but unless that blockage problem is fixed, you may not have time to deal with anything else,
Personally I disagree. Trump is merely a symptom of discontent in the middle and working class people. The folks in DC have promised everything and not delivered much. Real wages for manufacturing workers in this country have been cut by way over 30% in the last 50 years. Trump has been very good at creating scape goats and playing on the residual frustration and anger of working class whites.Merely returning the what existed before Trump is a plan for failure. I am not sure what is needed to succeed, but Biden is not what is needed in my view.
<<Personally I disagree. Trump is merely a symptom of discontent in the middle and working class people. The folks in DC have promised everything and not delivered much. Real wages for manufacturing workers in this country have been cut by way over 30% in the last 50 years.>>I agree. That makes the cultural displacement liberals are creating with mass immigration felt far more acutely than if wage and living standards were not in decline. << Trump has been very good at creating scape goats and playing on the residual frustration and anger of working class whites.>>Trump has his agenda of how to deal with these issues. Liberals have had their own methods, mostly ignore them, but also to propose training as IT programmers ----mostly a joke. Mass immigration is a part of the problem, mass export of jobs and manufacturing abroad is certainly another. The solution of Democrats is to ignore the problem and bait those making it an issue as racists and bigots ----not calculated to gain supporters. Drying up mass immigration is a useful step, even though it interferes with the liberal aim of replacing the working class with a new working class they imagine will lick their boots. That's really the liberal method of dealing with the issue. Seattle Pioneer
I proposed Warren as a Chaos candidate further up the thread.Looks like she will be attacked for corporate consulting income while at Harvard.https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/08/warren-says-she-mad...Elizabeth Warren — under pressure from rival Pete Buttigieg to reveal her past compensation from corporate clients — announced Sunday that she's received $1.9 million from private legal work since 1986.Buttigieg’s campaign has been calling on Warren to release her tax returns from before 2008, when she did private legal work for some large corporations similar to the ones she now rails against.https://www.zerohedge.com/political/controversy-erupts-after...The Washington Post immediately framed the disclosure as an example of hypocrisy, saying Warren's past income "doesn't fit neatly with her current presidential campaign brand as a crusader against corporate interests.What the Post did not make immediately clear, however, is that Warren made all this money over the span of 17 years ("the figures disclosed Sunday show that nearly all of the money was made from cases filed after she got her job at Harvard in 1995") - drawing immediate criticism from many who suggested that WaPo's failure to highlight the time frame until the sixth paragraph was unfair.So voters. Warren a corporate shill or utilizing her talents to obtain financial independence?I go with the latter.
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