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It would be interesting if there was much more emphasis on maintaining health than negotiating drug prices. Some issues may not be helped but there are quite a few that can be impacted.

Sorry - no news link but everyone here can read and use google, right ?
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.. use google, right ?

Or use DDG https://duckduckgo.com/ instead of Google using you? :-)

George
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Obesity, smoking, drinking, drugs, junk food, poor nutrition, too much sugar, too much fat, not enough fiber.

What are we missing?
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It would be interesting if there was much more emphasis on maintaining health than negotiating drug prices

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Why can't you do both?

The problem with drug pricing is that political corruption is preventing competitive pricing.

intercst
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I have the same concerns about Google, but you have to give them credit. Or at least I do. Their search results are usually more relevant to me, and presented in a more readable fashion.

I use Vivaldi, and they recommend "startpage.com". I don't like it. I switched to Google because it's just better. There were times on startpage where the answer I was looking for wasn't even listed, but Google had it at the top of the list.

I find duckduckgo to be similar. Maybe better, maybe not (than startpage). But Google give me what I need very efficiently. FWIW.
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And corporate greed. The extreme example was that guy who jacked-up the price of an epipen to around $1000 per shot (I forget the exact number). It was previously less than $100. He ended up going to prison for that, and well-deserved. But he did recognize that they have what we need, so they have all the power. "Pay me or go someplace else and die."

I think CostPlus exposes this because they buy wholesale, do a few percent markup to cover costs, and sell it to us. So it's obvious if you are paying more than that, someone is screwing you. Only government can stop that, but we allow campaign contributions (i.e. bribes), which messes that up.
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We have a thread where the OP would find it more interesting to discuss health than drug prices and all the replies are either discussing search engines or drug prices.

PSU
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We have a thread where the OP would find it more interesting to discuss health than drug prices and all the replies are either discussing search engines or drug prices.


People should exercise more.

Mike
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And corporate greed. The extreme example was that guy who jacked-up the price of an epipen to around $1000 per shot (I forget the exact number). It was previously less than $100. He ended up going to prison for that, and well-deserved.

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The epipen deal was the Manchin spawn. No jail for her -- $30.8 million Golden Parachute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Bresch#EpiPen_pricing_...

intercst
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PSU writes,

We have a thread where the OP would find it more interesting to discuss health than drug prices and all the replies are either discussing search engines or drug prices.

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Does adopting healthful behavior face the same obstacles as obtaining competitive drug pricing?

I suppose if you're poor, you might live in a "food desert" where the local grocery store doesn't sell fresh vegetables. I doubt that describes anyone posting here.

intercst
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And our health discussion board was closed.
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It would be interesting if there was much more emphasis on maintaining health than negotiating drug prices.

You can lead a horse to water......

From my years of experience, patients/people more often want the answer from a pill instead of from work. Physicians are paid to fix current problems not necessarily give mini lectures on prevention. Insurance companies reward "doing" not "talking".

My personal physician is big on prevention, has an on staff dietician, is starting up an exercise consultation with a PT, but he is also a "boutique" operation. No insurance.

JLC
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And our health discussion board was closed.

OK, I'll contribute.

I walk 50 miles per week at a brisk pace and still weigh the same as when I graduated from college.

I do that by walking almost everywhere I go within a 3 mile radius of my home.

It also allows me to eat a diet of cheeseburgers, pizza, and chocolate donuts without putting on any weight. (I do eat one large salad a day to balance that out.)

intercst
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JLC writes,

My personal physician is big on prevention, has an on staff dietician, is starting up an exercise consultation with a PT, but he is also a "boutique" operation. No insurance.

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See previous post. I'm getting all that without the "boutique" medicine fee.

intercst
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I walk 50 miles per week at a brisk pace

It's not about you.
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I was thinking of Shkreli. Couldn't remember the name, so had to look it up.

https://fortune.com/2017/08/08/martin-shkreli-pharma-bro-pha...

Hadn't heard of Bresch. Shkreli seemed to get most of the flak.
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It also allows me to eat a diet of cheeseburgers, pizza, and chocolate donuts without putting on any weight.

Hopefully that is all in moderation. You can't out exercise a crappy diet.

JLC
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Does adopting healthful behavior face the same obstacles as obtaining competitive drug pricing?

Since it is her thread and not your thread, maybe you would stick to the topic. You already have your other 1562 threads you started on drug prices to continue to discuss drug prices.

PSU
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And our health discussion board was closed.

TMF renamed this board so you could have some health-related discussions.

https://boards.fool.com/health-related-finances-121706.aspx
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OK, I'll contribute.

I walk 50 miles per week at a brisk pace and still weigh the same as when I graduated from college.

I do that by walking almost everywhere I go within a 3 mile radius of my home.

It also allows me to eat a diet of cheeseburgers, pizza, and chocolate donuts without putting on any weight. (I do eat one large salad a day to balance that out.)

intercst


I guess your tombstone, if you are willing to allocate some of your estate for such a frivolous item that you can't even personally experience, will say: "He lived the perfect, optimal life".
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You already have your other 1562 threads you started on drug prices to continue to discuss drug prices.

One could also say the same thing about the multiple threads on the topic of health.

I'm not against a healthy lifestyle, mind you. But it gets just as old listening to those discussions as it does listening to rants on the cost of drugs.

--Peter
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JLC writes,

<<It also allows me to eat a diet of cheeseburgers, pizza, and chocolate donuts without putting on any weight.>>

Hopefully that is all in moderation. You can't out exercise a crappy diet.

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Of course it's in moderation. The point is that you don't have to eat tofu and kale to maintain a healthy diet.

intercst
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Daryll44 writes,

I guess your tombstone, if you are willing to allocate some of your estate for such a frivolous item that you can't even personally experience, will say: "He lived the perfect, optimal life".

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I realize people find it upsetting. But my philosophy is that it takes about the same amount of time to make a bad decision as a good one, so why not make good ones?

intercst
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ptheland writes,

I'm not against a healthy lifestyle, mind you. But it gets just as old listening to those discussions as it does listening to rants on the cost of drugs.

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Isn't the p-box still working? <LOL>

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My personal physician is big on prevention, has an on staff dietician, is starting up an exercise consultation with a PT, but he is also a "boutique" operation. No insurance.

Hi JLC-
May I ask, the boutique office you mention...is that the same thing as a concierge doctor? Reason I ask, I just noticed that my existing physician/hospital regional system, has started up a concierge office. For $2,000 per year ($3,500 per couple) they offer same day or next day appointments. Long scheduled visit times. 24hr access to advice by phone and probably some other stuff. It doesn't include the costs of tests or procedures or whatever. Only the concierge doc's time. (I think the model is they still bill insurance, but you don't pay out of pocket beyond the annual fee.)

As I get older, I start to see the value of having one or two hour-long visits with a doc in a given year. I don't consume a lot of healthcare services yet at my age. But the last time I went in for a minor thing I could tell how stressed and rushed the doc was. He simply couldn't afford to spend more than 5 to 10 minutes with me.

It's not something I'm interested in yet....but maybe sometime in the future? Maybe.

Thanks.
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But my philosophy is that it takes about the same amount of time to make a bad decision as a good one, so why not make good ones?


I don't know. It seems to me that you think that any decision that is different than yours is bad without regard to the fact that different people will have different priorities and different life circumstances than you which may lead them to different decisions than yours. That doesn't make their decisions bad or wrong as they are right for them. It just makes their decisions different than yours.

"Different" is not the same as "bad."
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And our health discussion board was closed.

Makes sense.
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May I ask, the boutique office you mention...is that the same thing as a concierge doctor?

Yes. And every set up is different as to what they offer.

FWIW, if this model had been around when I was in medical school/residency training, I might have opted for internal medicine as a career. You mentioned the very reason I chose not to, i.e., time is money and not enough time allocated to patients. Then add the more current pressures of discharging patients from the hospital as soon as possible and sometimes sooner.

JLC
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Isn't the p-box still working? <LOL>

Yes. But those folks obsessed with health and with drug costs have good things to say on other topics. So I don’t want to stop reading them altogether.

Instead, I comment on their obsessions in the [possibly vain] hope that they will accept the feedback and try to limit their obsessive tendencies.

—Peter
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May I ask, the boutique office you mention...is that the same thing as a concierge doctor?

Can't answer for JLC, but here we have a similar model called direct primary care. The concierge model is an annual fee, while the DPC model is a month-to-month subscription. The one closest to us includes the perqs JLC mentioned plus they operate their own dispensary for some meds.

A DPC office usually has more clients than a concierge office, so the amount of attention you get would fall somewhere in the middle. You might get a luxurious hour-long appointment for your initial visit, but probably not two every year.
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