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This was originally posted on the HURL board. It is a link to the Atlantic Free Press that has the entire movie by Michael Moore, Sicko. I found it very interesting. It is approx two hours long. Please read the intro.

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1816/1/

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Duane
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Please don't mistake socialist propaganda by Michael Moore for an investigation worthy of the title "documentary".

The link belongs on Political Asylum.
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GADawg,

You obviously didn't view the film and I take it that your view of our health insurance is that it is just fine. So be it.

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Duane
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>> You obviously didn't view the film and I take it that your view of our health insurance is that it is just fine <<

Believing our health care system has serious problems that need to be addressed and believing Michael Moore is a propagandist who takes liberties with the truth are not mutually exclusive positions.

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ziggy29;

#1. Did you watch the film or are you simply echoing the tough ts of others?

#2. I watched the film and do not see where, as you said, ".....Michael Moore is a propagandist who takes liberties with the truth...". What does that statement mean? Does that mean Moore's film contains a bunch of lies and twisted truths?

#3. I am a senior citizen, 100% disabled collecting SSD. My DW of 38 years works and has a great health insurance program but we are literally one "speed bump" away from financial disaster should something serious happen to her health and she can no longer work.

#4. For the record, we both tend to vote on the moderate right side of the political aisle.

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Duane

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>> #1. Did you watch the film or are you simply echoing the tough ts of others? <<

Just like I don't need to watch every episode of O'Reilly or listen to every episode of Al Franken to know how they're going to spin things, you don't have to see EVERY Moore work to know his schtick. I've seen enough of it to have a pretty good idea of how he operates. I'm speaking of Moore's work in general, not this specific film. He is a propagandist with a history of twisting things and occasionally making things up or not accurately portraying how things really happened.

>> #2. I watched the film and do not see where, as you said, ".....Michael Moore is a propagandist who takes liberties with the truth...". What does that statement mean? Does that mean Moore's film contains a bunch of lies and twisted trut <<

It means there are plenty of documented cases of distortions, omissions and outright lies in Moore's past "documentaries". I honestly don't know about Sicko, but I do know his history of doing this. IMO that makes everything he touches a bit less credible. Note that I never said there were lies and distortions in Sicko because I've not seen it. But I have seen some his past work and how some of it doesn't pass inspection.

>> #3. I am a senior citizen, 100% disabled collecting SSD. My DW of 38 years works and has a great health insurance program but we are literally one "speed bump" away from financial disaster should something serious happen to her health and she can no longer work. <<

I don't disagree with this. One of my biggest fears is losing my job and then having some funny numbers on a blood test, no matter how good I feel. That's one of those places where, as I said, the system is screwed up and needs help. But I'm pretty sure Moore's "prescription" (pun intended) is bad medicine (again).

In short, the messenger ruins this message.

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ziggy29;

#1. Please watch the film. I'm not advocating what Moore might be advocating (socialized medicine) but I do think he brings out what is currently wrong with our current system/

#2. I find this comment of yours very interesting, "One of my biggest fears is losing my job and then having some funny numbers on a blood test, no matter how good I feel.".

#3. About 30 yrs. ago I was diagnosed as a Type 2 diabetic. To be brief, I followed my doc's advice religiously; medication, diet, exercise and routine visits for blood tests, etc. Occasionally there would be a little "blip" on the radar screen of blood tests following the holiday season the doc would say, "I see you been making midnight raids into fridge again." OK, I got back on the straight and narrow road for good health. Then one day........

#4. Today I am home bound and scoot around the house in a motorized wheelchair. I can barely see the screen I am typing this msg on (cataracts & glaucoma). And then there is.........

#5. Let me just conclude by saying that my most recent visit to the doc has all of my numbers, "perfect." Yeah, doc, that's what you been tellin' me for years but why am I this way?

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Duane
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For those interested in Moore's latest propaganda, a quick Google search will turn up some of the lies, omissions, or errors in order to elevate the left and bash the right, which is the purpose of all Moore's work.

http://moorelies.com or www.moorewatch.com will give opposing viewpoints.

As to the movie, the above two sites mentioned points such as the following:

He spends a lot of time bashing Republicans, such as George W. Bush. I can't name a single instance of a Bush policy influencing health care in this country, except for the expansion of Medicare, which is a step that all liberals agree with.

Moore mentions Medicare exactly one time in the movie. He doesn't touch upon Medicaid, state programs, or the VA at all. Those programs account for half of all health care spending in this country. Any expose on health care that ignores the huge impact these programs have on the system is suspect to say the least.

Any serious look at socialized medicine should deal with the issue of how to pay for it. Moore does nothing to dispute the fears of huge tax increases that will inevitably result from socialized medicine.

There's also no mention of serious waiting times in countries with socialized medicine that result from the necessary rationing of care. He doesn't mention Canadians crossing the border into New York or Michigan to get immediate health care instead of waiting months or years in Canada.

Overall, the reviews are typical for a Moore film. Liberals and socialists laud the propagandizing. Conservatives see it as pure bunk. And those hoping for a serious work which can provoke open minded debate are disappointed.
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>> I can't name a single instance of a Bush policy influencing health care in this country, except for the expansion of Medicare, which is a step that all liberals agree with. <<

Health Savings Accounts? This was intended to influence health care costs in making consumers more cost-conscious. Unlike the expansion of Medicare, this is a market-based solution that people aligning with Moore aren't likely to support.

>> Any serious look at socialized medicine should deal with the issue of how to pay for it. <<

AND how to keep health care inflation in check. That's the root problem, and unless that is fixed, everything else is treating symptoms, not curing the patient. (There I go with those medical metaphors again.) Compared to keeping health care inflation in check, how to pay for it is a walk in the park, IMO.

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Thanks for posting that, Duane - I'll take a look at the film when I get a chance, probably this weekend or on my barfday, Monday. My employer agreed today to pay my health insurance premium (currently around $6,000 a year) as a raise in compensation... I ain't mad.


Bob
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Please take this discussion to the PA board. I tend to ignore political threads - even if there may be good information in them.

Respectfully,

foolazis

(politically conservative, but not given to these type of discussions on financial boards)
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Please take this discussion to the PA board. I tend to ignore political threads - even if there may be good information in them.

Respectfully,

foolazis


I dunno, foolazis. Aetna, Prudential, Met Life, Cigna, and Travelers ran and presented numbers under Clinton's administration - Clinton's administration subsequently decided that a full blown National Health Care system wasn't economically feasible. But, there *might* be some more leeway, and this *may* be an appropriate board to consider some potential options.

Respectfully,
Bob
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And Bob proves once again that he's the go to guy on the insurance board.

GeeB, lurker wwho doesn't have an ax in this battle.
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