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I agree with all you said. So that's why i ask....why be optimistic that future 'Americans' will set the right course, when future 'Americans' are encouraged NOT to be Americans, but to emulate the very failure they left?

Because they do not WANT to emulate the failure they left.

They will not drive to the failure they left, they just need obvious choices that there is another choice.

Our problem IMO remains that we have statist leftists and statist rightists -- we need conservative/libertarian option mixing mainstream moderation carried by conservatives with radical freedom(that isn't radical but needs to be presented as if it is from libertarians)

This can sell, it just needs a forum.

Why be optimistic? Because most of the immigrants want this solution they do not want what they left.

They need a bridge to get where they wanted and to an America they heard about from their parent as do most Americans.

It is not too late, but we have to defeat the mindset that one can work with liberalism, you can not work with those out to destroy you, and you need to get rid of those in your ranks that believe you can. At the same time, you need to create a bridge for the many Democrats who know the Dems are wrong, but have fear of the non-libertarian aspects lose in the Republican party.

It is not an easy road, however a path exists IMO. A majority still wants the old America but Obama and those like him are working very hard to kill hope and foster hatred.

Folks need to realize there is a very real enemy, and then perhaps they will win what they want.
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