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I understand why you are angry. You support an abhorrent procedure that results in the death of a human life. About the only defense you can use is to attack opponents personally.

Now, that's really intellectually dishonest. Frydaze said, in part:

Some members of this board don't agree with you. That's not being intellectually dishonest, that's disagreeing with you on the fundamental definitions. For you to keep acting like you don't know that we disagree is, in fact, intellectually dishonest.

I'm sure Frydaze didn't spell out the disagreement on the fundamental definitions because she optimistically assumed you would both recognize and acknowledge them. To ignore the substance of what Frydaze wrote and focus on the short statement at the end of her post that, arguably, might be considered a mild personal attack, is intellectually dishonest.

In the interest of intellectual honesty:

Most people who honestly believe that abortion is a sin and should be forbidden believe that human life starts at conception. People who do not believe abortion is a sin do not believe that human life starts at conception.

On the one side, the pope maintains that human life starts at conception. This is choice of definition. It is also a theological position not subject to scientific proof.

On the other side, for most purposes the law treats human life as starting at birth. This is a different choice of definition. It is also a definition accepted by most of humanity for most of history; a pregnant woman counts as one person right up till birth.

You agree with the pope and disagree with the law. That's your right.

A lot of people on this board disagree with you and the pope. That's their right, too. The only reason your statement characterizing their position would not be considered a personal attack is that it does not identify a specific person.

If you want to make the case for why you believe human life begins at conception, that would be an intellectually honest attempt to sway others to your position on abortion. Merely stating that abortion "results in the death of a human life" assumes your definition from the start. Wrong answer. Before you get to that conclusion, you have to prove the underlying assumption that the unborn fetus is a human life.

Feel free to believe that people who think abortion is a valid option are mistaken in their belief about when human life starts. Feel free to believe that, even if human life doesn't start till birth, the ending of a potential human life should be forbidden. Just don't assume the whole world shares your underlying definitions. It doesn't.

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