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Fuller,
You're 'posed to warn us before you send us to PA! <grin>

In truth, many of us don't venture there any more, at all, or even lurk due to rampant antisemitism existing there. Not to say, it isn't good to know how the enemy thinks, however, it does lead to some severe stomach churning on my part.

The best of that Board, is that there are some intelligent, thinking people there - and I don't have any trouble with differing opinions, that's how we learn - if all we ever hear are opinions which mimic our own, we might as well stand in front of a mirror and talk to ourselves.

However, at the worst - the bigotry, ignorance and sarcasm which abound there, make it, at least for me personally, a place I'd prefer not to visit at all. I did try it for awhile, but couldn't handle day-after- day of anti-Jewish AND anti-Israeli diatribes from people whose antisemitism and prejudice is so great that they cannot hear anything else but the hateful voices in their own heads.


All this to say, thank you for the link (and please forgive me for this small rant) but I, (and I really do speak only for myself) don't want to be exposed to their evil, anymore...

tuni
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The PA board is hard to digest soemtimes. I will give fair warning next time, but I will not fail to expose rotten eggs when I see them.

As we all know bad things can happen as they did in Western Europe, amongst the height of cultural and educational centers in "civilized" places like Prague,Vienna and Berlin.
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Pls don't take me wrong - I was not chastising you, sorry if it came across that way.

As you well know, some of the posters there are full of such hate and
prejudice that they make my stomach crawl. No way should we ignore them - you are right! However, it does no good, IMHO, to try and post rebuttals to their bigotry - they just go on and on and on...I see that often Ursula tries - but we can't change their minds. They're too stupid and full of ignorant diatribes and I , personally, gave up on arguing with them...

People like ..........well you probably know the names better than me...

Please keep up the good work - do what you can over there. I just can't go there any more.

my apologies if I came across too strong...
tuni
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Oh no, you were just right. I admire you for your restraint.

One might consider that a silent majority. We as a people, a civilization, must continue to enlighten all. I believe the Fool has many young posters and some that are inspired by others. Your posts are excellent.

One advantage I have as a registered Independent is that I have no political agenda. Some may call me a moderate because I fall into fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. There is good and bad in both.

What I strive for is the truth, based on data, facts, history, etc. I hit my mark sometimes, and other times fail, albeit rarely. It just my big mouth and bursts of passion that get me in trouble sometimes.


"I see that often Ursula tries - but we can't change their minds. They're too stupid and full of ignorant diatribes and I , personally, gave up on arguing with them..."

Ursula is good, and has had some success...I guess we have to be able to sort the chaff from the wheat as some PA posters are goofs just there to spin and humor. I don't mind nonsense, but become sensitive to those who seem to display a pattern against Israel, and all good people. Though Pesach is a few months away, as a relaxing holiday it always reminds me of the strife our world still suffers and how we, the Jewish people are committed to making a better world for all.




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Ursula is good, and has had some success...I guess we have to be able to sort the chaff from the wheat as some PA posters are goofs just there to spin and humor. I don't mind nonsense, but become sensitive to those who seem to display a pattern against Israel, and all good people. Though Pesach is a few months away, as a relaxing holiday it always reminds me of the strife our world still suffers and how we, the Jewish people are committed to making a better world for all.


What am I? Chopped liver? ( not that's there's anything wrong with chopped liver, I just can't eat it:))

Yep, I agree with Tuni regarding the vile that resides there. You have a great point in exposing these rotten eggs for what they are. I tend to ignore the obvious vile ones and focus on the ones who can sometimes rub their head and come up with a misguided thought instead of repeating the same rhetoric.

Mark
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Some may call me a moderate because I fall into fiscal conservatism and social liberalism.

http://boards.fool.com/messages.asp?mid=20126859&bid=114272

FF
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all very interesting Posts.

At the end of the day things will go one as they are right now.It'll be at least another 5 to 10 years before the Palestinians realise that if they'd only got rid of Araffat earlier their lives would have been better

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The PA board is hard to digest soemtimes. I will give fair warning next time, but I will not fail to expose rotten eggs when I see them.


Well the only thing you managed to expose in that particular thread was your inability to basic rational thinking, sticking to a discussion topic and answering a simple question.
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Dear Mark (chopped liver)...<grin>

My apologies, I remembered your name after I sent the post. Yes, you certainly add to those who have my admiration by continuing to wade in there, gloves on......to continue the unending battle for those of us who choose not to venture into that territory.

Please forgive me for the exclusion -

tuni (who can't eat chopped liver either)
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Fullerkz,

I have tried several times to reply to your e-mails to me, but my replies keep coming back.

I have even tried to e-mail you directly via this TMF Board and that, too, is returned to me.

Perhaps you have done this purposely? If not, and IF you wish to, you can e-mail me privately with another addy?????

thx,
tuni

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As you well know, some of the posters there are full of such hate and prejudice that they make my stomach crawl.

Which of us, exactly?
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Please forgive me for the exclusion -

I was just kidding there :) no need to apologize. I must admit, it takes a vey thick skin to participate in that sorry excuse for a political forum. Sometimes I just move on and ignore an obvious flamewar trolling attempt, and sometimes I try to dish it back. Many times I thought of just removing that hellhole from my list of boards but as long as some of us remain, we will do our best to expose the rotten ones.

Mark
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Elan,
I loved your responses, especially the second post. Felix's response (he's the rotten egg's champion) is clearly a pathetic attempt.

Well put there.

Mark
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AD,
Ya know I'm not going to answer that here. It would just cause further hate and nastiness in which I choose not to indulge.

In spite of the fact that you and I have strong differing views on several subjects, there are some we agree on, aren't there? Therefore, in some areas, (if it matters to you?) I respect your opinions.

Therefore, I choose not to lump you with the more radical, ignorant anti-semitic bigots who abound on that board.

However, in my opinion (FWIW) you ARE a bit misguided, maybe?? <grin>

tuni (who can accept the diversity among us)

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In spite of the fact that you and I have strong differing views on several subjects, there are some we agree on, aren't there?

Sure.

Therefore, I choose not to lump you with the more radical, ignorant anti-semitic bigots who abound on that board

So I am a more enlightened anti-semitic bigot? Well, that's something I guess ; )

I want to tell you that I choose not to lump you with the more radical racist Zionist Supremacist. I think you are merely somewhat misguided in regard to certain historical facts.
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Then we agree to continue to DISAGREE on:

Zionism
Judaism
Israel
Historical Facts


and we continue to AGREE on:

the fact that we both are POSITIVE that the other is misguided!

'nuff said,

tuni
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The debate on the PA board has continued, if anyone is interested -
http://boards.fool.com/Messages.asp?mid=20140054&bid=113502&sort=threaded

Elan
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Elan,
Thanks for the great posts. Keep up the good work. You're handled the two eggs quite well.

Mark
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Elan,
Thanks for the great posts. Keep up the good work. You're handled the two eggs quite well.

Mark


You're welcome.

Pleased to serve you,

Elan
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Ape, any reason why u lurk on this board, being anti-semetic and all and above that, impersonating other people?

Do you honestly wish to be suspended?

Mark
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Ape, any reason why u lurk on this board, being anti-semetic and all and above that, impersonating other people?

a) I'm not anti-Semitic. BTW, as you use this word so often, maybe you should finally start to write it with just one 'e' in 'semitic'...
b) How often have I told you that I consider you an anti-semite? Maybe you're a good Zionist, but you're extremist positions are not really helpful for the cause of Judaism, IMHO.
c) I'm not impersonating other people. 'Show some irony and pity', as a wise man said.
d) I don't really care about being suspended.
e) Abe
f) It's written with a 'b', not with a 'p'.
g) Mark
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I don't think Abe is anti-semitic, although i do get upset when he uses the phrase 'Zionist entity'.

Good people on all sides can sometimes lose their better judgement and express themselves in ways that are inflammatory. We all do this at times.

This is not PA, where there are ferocious creatures on all sides expressing themselves and flaming. Perhaps here on the Jewish and Foolish board we can be civil to our guests, and perhaps our guests can be sensitive to our concerns, in our little TMF playground.

But I am not a board cop, just hoping we can find a way to be friendly in our disagreements.

Greetings to all my old friends,

Dov
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I don't think Abe is anti-semitic, although i do get upset when he uses the phrase 'Zionist entity'.

Well, he spits it out on every occation. I personally find it extremely offensive and anti-Semetic. Anyone who's doesn't believe Jews right to a homeland in Israel (hence Zionist entity) is an Anti-Semite Bastrd. It is really a simple "black and white with no shades of gray". I suggest you read more of his posts pretaining to Israel to get a better feel for the ape.

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Hi Mark,

I have read many of Abe's posts, and I used to regularly argue with him and others on PA. I also think that the use of the 'zionist entity' phrase is offensive.

However, I don't agree with you that there are no shades of gray. Israel is not innocent with the settlement policy, Sharon is viewed by the Arab population as a liar and a murderer because of Sabra and Shatila and his ham fisted approach, and the lack of progress after 50 years is not only to be blamed on the Palestinians.

I have known Abe for a few years. I think the frustration of the lack of progress and the death of many Palestinians has lead him to some of his more provocative statements.

However, I know he admired Yitzhak Rabin and felt that he was an honorable man who could make peace with the Palestinians and offer them something more than a truncated bantustan or endlees warfare, until one of OUR terrorists murdered him and derailed the peace process.

I've read many of your posts over on PA too, Mark, and appreciate the way you stand up for our people, but it does make me sad that things have gotten so bad that two people who probably would enjoy a cup of coffee together could be so symbolic of how Israelis and Palestinians have gotten to the point where it is all 'black and white'.

Shalom,

Dov
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I've read many of your posts over on PA too, Mark, and appreciate the way you stand up for our people, but it does make me sad that things have gotten so bad that two people who probably would enjoy a cup of coffee together could be so symbolic of how Israelis and Palestinians have gotten to the point where it is all 'black and white'.

Shalom,

Dov

Dov, Well put...

What people consistently fail to understand is that prior to the Intifadas (I was living in Israel at that time), Israelis used to flock by the 10s of thousands to the west bank and Gaza for cheap dentistry, car repair and general shopping. They made the PA quite profitable with the enourmous spending at the Casino in Jerico. In addition, 100s of thousands of Palestinians were being imployed in Israel. It was a mutually benificial relationship. The palestinians were in better shape in all walks of life compared to the rest of the their Arab bretheren in the whole middle east. Then the Intifadas came. Sharon just took matters more seriously than his predecessors and decided Israel will not cower to the Palestinian violence and respond to root it out instead.

My point is that all the anti-Israeli crowd forgets how the palestinians prosperred prior to the intifadas and they are consistently putting the sole blame on Israel. Also, where is the equivelent to Bet'Selem and the "refusnics" on the Palestinian side? they never thought of that.

Mark

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...and the lack of progress after 50 years is not only to be blamed on the Palestinians.

Who else would you blame it on? It couldn't be Israel. After all, they made peace with Egypt and Jordan. Who have the "Palestinians" made peace with? Not Jordan - they were kicked out. Not Egypt - one of the conditions Egypt put on their peace with Isreal was that Israel keep Gaza.

Could it be the leaders of Israel? There's been many from both parties, yet no peace. Ditto with the U.S. The Soviet Union even collapsed and a new government replaced the previous dictatorship. There has been only one leader of the "Palestinians" - Arafat.

Please explain who else is to blame, and why.

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Please explain who else is to blame, and why.

FF

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Israel is also partly to blame. I don't believe that Sharon or Netanyahu negotiated in good faith. The settlement policy also flies in the face of any realistic hope for an agreement.

I absolutely assert that 55 years of terrorism and the last 3 years of suicide bombing make it almost impossible for Israel to have a partner, but that doesn't mean that Israel has not contributed to this mess.

Rabin negotiated with the Palestinians, even while terrorist incidents continued and I believe he would have concluded a peace agreement with them until one of our own terrorists murdered him. To my mine, his assasination was the biggest blame that came from our side.

Dov

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Rabin negotiated with the Palestinians, even while terrorist incidents continued and I believe he would have concluded a peace agreement with them until one of our own terrorists murdered him. To my mine, his assasination was the biggest blame that came from our side.

His assasination was wrong, agreed. But I don't recall the assasin being celebrated in the streets by the Israelis. I seem to recall that he was brought before a court, given due process, found guilty and sentenced to a rather long stretch in jail; a sentence which he is currently serving.

There have been wrongs committed by both sides. However, Isreal tends to prosecute and shun those who initiate violence and disavow their actions; the "Palestinians" encourage and embrace those on their side who initiate violence and celebrate their actions. This difference in response means that there is no shared guilt on the side of the Israelis, as opposed to the "Palestinians" where the guilt is shared by the bulk of the popluation.

To say that Isreal has contributed to the mess because of the actions of a few radicals such as Rabin's assisin is absurd; it would be the equivalent of saying that the U.S. is a terrorist nation because of the actions of Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. This moral equivalence that you are attempting to draw is neither accurate, nor appropriate.

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His assasination was wrong, agreed. But I don't recall the assasin being celebrated in the streets by the Israelis. I seem to recall that he was brought before a court, given due process, found guilty and sentenced to a rather long stretch in jail; a sentence which he is currently serving.

There have been wrongs committed by both sides. However, Isreal tends to prosecute and shun those who initiate violence and disavow their actions; the "Palestinians" encourage and embrace those on their side who initiate violence and celebrate their actions. This difference in response means that there is no shared guilt on the side of the Israelis, as opposed to the "Palestinians" where the guilt is shared by the bulk of the popluation.

To say that Isreal has contributed to the mess because of the actions of a few radicals such as Rabin's assisin is absurd; it would be the equivalent of saying that the U.S. is a terrorist nation because of the actions of Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. This moral equivalence that you are attempting to draw is neither accurate, nor appropriate.

FF

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Rabin's assasination wasn't wrong, it was a catastrophe.

Radical settler Rabbi's were and stil are preaching there own kind of racist hate which incite young men like Rabin's assasin. In demonstrations there were pictures of Rabin in a Nazi uniform. And Rabin was a war hero and life long patriot for Israel, more than those creepy Rabbi's and their followers.

Every hear of Baruch Goldstein? In settler societies he is still a hero. I think God has sent him to hell, but what do I know. How dare he give himself the name of 'Baruch'?

Sorry, I think there is plenty of guilt to go around, and that is accurate and appropriate. Just because our young people don't strap on suicide belts to terrorize the Palestinians, doesn't mean we are free from guilt. You don't need a moral equivalent to be guilty, you just need to be guilty, and men like Goldstein, Amir and others have made us guilty.

Dov
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Sorry, I think there is plenty of guilt to go around, and that is accurate and appropriate. Just because our young people don't strap on suicide belts to terrorize the Palestinians, doesn't mean we are free from guilt. You don't need a moral equivalent to be guilty, you just need to be guilty, and men like Goldstein, Amir and others have made us guilty.

Dov

Here you use the action of the few vs. the action of many (and the overwhelming support they have) on the other side. Sorry, I don't buy us being guilty becuase of Amir and Goldstein. Last time I check, the very extreme lunatic fringe only supported them. Check who supports the lunatic fringe on the other side of the fence ( literally) and you'll be shocked. Sorry, to me, they hold the guilty card.

Mark

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Sorry, I think there is plenty of guilt to go around, and that is accurate and appropriate.

I agree that there is plenty of guilt to go around. I just do not agree that you are spreading it around appropriately.

The Isreali people and their government do not support the actions of Jewish terrorist; on the contrary, they are hunted down and broght to justice. This absolves the government and the people of responsibility for the action of the rogue terrorists in Isreal.

Contrast this to what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza. The people there support and encourage terrorists and would-be terrorists. The "government" finances them and gives them safe haven. These actions make the "Palestinians" share the blame for the terrorism.

Isrealis: Oppose the Jewish terrorists => no credit or blame for the actions of the terrorists.

"Palestinians": Support the muslim terrorists => they share the credit or blame for the actions of the terrorists.

See the difference?

FF
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