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In response to Circular 230, I'll be lurking, but not answering questions, for the foreseeable future. Below is a link to my explanation and request for a fix.

http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=22827010 --Bob
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I suppose we'll all have to turn to the IRS for information.

Oh wait. They get it wrong, too, sometimes giving the wrong answer more than 1/3 of the time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7492730/

I think either Ira or Phil had it right: make the legislators handle their own taxes and have them interpret the tax code. Then we can talk about simplification.

Bill
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Have you noticed the new disclaimer on the board? Is it going to be adequate for you?

--Peter <== not really concerned about the answer to the first, but hoping the answer to the second is "yes."
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Since none of us are getting paid here for the advice we provide, I'd make the case that WE don't have to worry about it.

However, TMF is in the business of providing information and advice for a profit, some of which is tax-related.

On the other hand TMF is not, to my knowledge, with the exception of Phil and Roy, and maybe some others, who work for them, as individuals, enrolled to practice representing clients before the IRS, and subject to Circular 230.

Our firm is adding a similar tagline to our memos, newsletters, fax transmittals, etc, as several law firms in our area have done.

Bill
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ptheland writes (in part):

Have you noticed the new disclaimer on the board? Is it going to be adequate for you?

I reply:

I have -- Twitty was kind enough to base it on language I suggested, with a change that I consider an improvement. Things have been busy here at the office, but when I get a free minute, I'll ask one of our tax people whether I'm sufficiently covered. That will answer the second question. --Bob
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Wradical writes (in part):

Since none of us are getting paid here for the advice we provide, I'd make the case that WE don't have to worry about it.

I reply:

I'm not confident that your premise is true for either TMFTaxes or TMFPMarti. Also, to the extent anyone here has been comped, I could see a potential issue. --Bob
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Bob78164:

ptheland writes (in part): <<<<Have you noticed the new disclaimer on the board? Is it going to be adequate for you?>>>>

"I have -- Twitty was kind enough to base it on language I suggested, with a change that I consider an improvement. Things have been busy here at the office, but when I get a free minute, I'll ask one of our tax people whether I'm sufficiently covered. That will answer the second question. --Bob"

I did not notice until peter pointed it out.

"In accordance with IRS Circular 230, you can't use tax advice contained in any post on The Motley Fool's message boards to avoid tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions."

I strongly dislike the implication that by posting on this Board, or any other TMF Board, that I am providing advice to anyone.

The TMF general disclaimer already provides:

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I give advice only to clients. I have a rigorous process that I need to follow to establish a client relationship in order to avoid conflicts of interest.

I have a disclaimer I use if I feel like one of my posts is beginning to sound like legal advice:

"Disclaimer

Yes, I am a lawyer, BUT THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE; it is only general information. NO CLIENT RELATIONSHIP IS INTENDED TO BE CREATED, NOR IS ANY SUCH RELATIONSHIP SO CREATED. FOR SPECIFIC LEGAL ADVICE YOU SHOULD TALK TO A LAWYER IN YOUR AREA."

If posting on this Tax Board means or implies that I am providing advice --- as suggested by the new Tax Circular disclaimer, which appears contrary to general TMD disclaimers, then I will feel compelled to use a personal disclaimer on virtually every post on this Tax Board.

Before Bob raised the issue, I was not overly concerned because of the general TMF disclaimers (and my relative anonymity, especially as compared to Bob, Peter, Phil or Roy), but the new addition seems to contradict the general disclaimers, and the new addition is directly on this Board. General rules of of interpretation would suggest that the specific controls over the general and this concerns me.

If the text of the disclaimer is reworked, I would prefer to see something like:

"In accordance with IRS Circular 230, you cannot use any post on The Motley Fool's message boards (including without limitation any tax advice or any other discussions or information) to avoid tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions."

Just my $0.02.

Regards, JAFO






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JAFO31 writes (in part):

If the text of the disclaimer is reworked, I would prefer to see something like:

"In accordance with IRS Circular 230, you cannot use any post on The Motley Fool's message boards (including without limitation any tax advice or any other discussions or information) to avoid tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions."


I reply:

I don't think I'd read this language to suggest that any post does contain "advice," but I understand your concern. Your revision may be a bit long, but I suspect that Twitty's technical concerns and your substantive concerns would be met by the following language:

"In accordance with IRS Circular 230, you cannot use the contents of any post on The Motley Fool's message boards to avoid tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions." --Bob
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That would be fine by me, and save some space.

Regards, JAFO
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Fools, thanks for the feedback. I modified the disclaimer, hope it works for everyone.

Richard
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