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... for an impeachment inquiry to cause more folks to want President Trump
to be re-elected merely to annoy the State Department corps of mental anklebiters?
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... for an impeachment inquiry to cause more folks to want President Trump
to be re-elected merely to annoy the State Department corps of mental anklebiters?


That's what appears to be happening. Well, the State Department corps, the FBI corps, the media corps, the Congressional corps...
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<<... for an impeachment inquiry to cause more folks to want President Trump
to be re-elected merely to annoy the State Department corps of mental anklebiters?>>




How MANY Deep Staters were listening in on Trump's phone call with a head of state?


The Oval Office must have a Party Line.


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How MANY Deep Staters were listening in on Trump's phone call with a head of state?

Apparently, none of the ones who've stepped forward to testify as to its content,
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How MANY Deep Staters were listening in on Trump's phone call with a head of state?


The Oval Office must have a Party Line.


Seattle Pioneer


Well, this inquiry is happening through the 'intellegence community'. The same one that said (clapper) we are not 'spying' on americans. It isn't a stretch to figure they are lying again to save their butts from prison.
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cause more folks to want President Trump to be re-elected merely to annoy the State Department corps

How sad.. The state department has over 30 thousand employees, these are the folks who help Americans in distress outside the country to help American business at the world stage, to fighting international crimes, to effectively advance american positions as Ambassadors.

It is pathetic to see one deranged guy get elected and suddenly all branches of government employees are treated as traitor. For Trump and his supporters, Press is enemy, our intelligence service is enemy, out department of justice employees (FBI, etc) are enemy, state department employees are enemy, ...

The problem is not with these patriots who devoted their life working for the government but with a fraud, criminal behavior of the person occupying white house.

Oh separately, people have voted for democratic governors in two deep red state... good going.
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Kingran: what are you doing out of my p-box? Get back in there.
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How sad.. The state department has over 30 thousand employees, these are the folks who help Americans in distress outside the country to help American business at the world stage, to fighting international crimes, to effectively advance american positions as Ambassadors. - Kngran

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And to your way of thinking these people are so good and so well-intentioned and just so damned smart that they should be free to conduct foreign policy autonomously, you know, they way it has always been done. It hurts their feelings if someone goes around them. How many times were questions of the form, "How did it make you feel when....?" Feelings are not evidence.

Here is a little fact you can willfully ignore. One of the bedrock principals that our county was founded on and what makes it the greatest country in history is that all power emanates from the people. People - regular citizens - not kings or family dynasties. Periodically these -regular people get to express their preferences in elections. If you don't like the outcome of a particular election, then work hard to win the next one.

Instead, and this is not hard to understand, the so called permanent bureaucracy will do or say anything to perpetuate itself because it has made a pretty good gig for itself.
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<<It is pathetic to see one deranged guy get elected and suddenly all branches of government employees are treated as traitor. For Trump and his supporters, Press is enemy, our intelligence service is enemy, out department of justice employees (FBI, etc) are enemy, state department employees are enemy, ...>>



Unfortunately, Trump is merely being realistic with those concerns.


Certainly the media, beginning with the New York Times, has been taken control of American politics away from the Democratic Party for the two years after Trump's election, in order to destroy his Presidency.


There is good evidence that senior members of the FBI and State Department decided that the person elected to be President simply wouldn't do, and used the powers of their positions to undermine Trump's Presidency.

Frankly, it's a lot more worrisome that the bureaucracy decide that the elected President wouldn't do than the President deciding the bureaucrats wouldn't do.

It's really long past due to clean house among the bureaucrats and start over.

In the 19th century there were some bad times with Presiodents appointing every civilian in the executive branch when he came into office ----the result was the civil service system

Now we are seeing the problem when civil; servants have too much job security and decide that they, not elected officials, should run the government.

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Here is a little fact you can willfully ignore

What you are missing is, just because Trump got elected by people doesn't stop him from doing illegal, criminal things. Others pointing it out, calling it doesn't make them bad people either.

The diplomats, advisers are not "permanent bureaucracy", they are the one who is now pointing the finger at Trump.

Your claim bureaucrats are against Trump is ludicrous and has no basis. It is unbelievable that folks instead of focusing on Trump's behavior, which is the root cause for these people to speak up, now you are questioning the folks because they are speaking up. How twisted?

damned smart that they should be free to conduct foreign policy autonomously
You are questioning the credentials of career professionals, yet, Kushner with no experience in policy, politics, the only qualification he brings to the table is Husband of President's daughter, is entrusted to deal with a very complex Israel-Palestine issue. Even on Ukraine issue, President's personal attorney who is not part of the government is running diplomacy(?) on the side. Instead of questioning the loyalty of intelligence officials you should question why the President even ask President of another country to investigate his political opponent. Even if he is concerned of "corruption", there are agencies that deal with this and he could have just referred the matter to them, why would he personally get involved?
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<<What you are missing is, just because Trump got elected by people doesn't stop him from doing illegal, criminal things. Others pointing it out, calling it doesn't make them bad people either.

The diplomats, advisers are not "permanent bureaucracy", they are the one who is now pointing the finger at Trump.>>



Many are indeed part of the permanent bureaucracy. And too many take their graduate degrees and experience with too much pride, deciding that they know better how to govern the United States than elected officials.

The Supreme Court is altogether too good of an example of that.


<<Your claim bureaucrats are against Trump is ludicrous and has no basis. It is unbelievable that folks instead of focusing on Trump's behavior, which is the root cause for these people to speak up, now you are questioning the folks because they are speaking up. How twisted?>>



No, I don;t think that's the case at all. The New York Times the control of American politics away from the elected official of the Democratic Party when the results of the 2016 election didn't satisfy newspaper and news media people.

It seems that officials of the FBI and CIA were setting up Trump to fail even before the election.


These are all people who often agree among themselves as to how the government should rule, and were appalled when Trump threatened to overturn their comfortable consensus.

Trump is fighting back against all that power so that he can govern according to the political platform he was elected to implement.


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...Trump got elected by people doesn't stop him from doing illegal, criminal things. Others pointing it out, calling it doesn't make them bad people either...

No one can seem to point out exactly what illegal, criminal things that Trump has done. Those who claim they are pointing them out, when questioned (or asked to shout them out) admit they have witnessed none. They only substitute to their opinions or feelings for actual evidence.
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No one can seem to point out exactly what illegal, criminal things that Trump has done.

You can close your eyes, but that doesn't make the world go dark. This is adviser to pence. It is not one or two individuals but pretty much other than Trump, everyone thought Trump's behavior is wrong. This came to light, what else is in the closet?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-nsc-official-says-he-was...
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It's a case of the 'tel-a'dem' network.

One democrat operative bribes someone who actually might have listened to the call....and then spreads the alleged contents around as ' a reliable source said.....'...

So it gets to be a 'friend of a friend of a friend' 'overhead' what might have been an allegation that there was a conversation taking place that actually was between President Trump and the President of the Ukraine on some day or two talking about military aid to the Ukraine and inquiring how the criminal investigation into the corrupt Ukrainian government was going.....

One dem to another dem to another dem - the 'tel-a-dem' network.


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deciding that they know better how to govern the United States than elected officials.

The elected officials set the policy and bureaucracy implements it. The issue here is elected official is violation of norms, activities that are highly questionable and assuming he is above the law and can do anything. That is what questioned by bureaucracy and not his policies.

No one is stopping him from his way of governing. The republicans and Trump supporters are making up stuff to divert from Trump's crazy to criminal behavior.

If every President fired every military general who had supported, donated other party, imagine the plight of Military. The same is being done by Republicans on FBI and other agencies.

Republicans in their support to Trump are permanently damaging America.

Trump is fighting back against all that power so that he can govern according to the political platform he was elected to implement.

Trump is fighting against all sorts of people not because they are fighting his agenda, because Trump as a person is weak, has no morals, ethics and certainly no class. You cannot keep justifying his actions saying that is his style, he is punching back, etc. At this point it is not just Trump's failure, but the collective failure of the country to have elected such a person. What a shame.
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You can close your eyes, but that doesn't make the world go dark. - Kingran

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Speaking of closing your eyes, let me point out a few examples of what your eyes should have seen in the very article you linked....

An adviser to Vice President Mike Pence .... "struck me as unusual and inappropriate"

So the adviser is the self appointed authority on what is usual and appropriate when it comes to the President conducting foreign policy? Note to all future potential advisers - sometimes your advice is not sought and even if it is, it is sometimes ignored. If that hurts your feelings then you should be in another line of work.

Tim Morrison arrives for his closed-door deposition Oct. 31.

During the call itself, Morrison said he was concerned by how "obsequious" Zelensky sounded toward Trump and added that the conversation "was not the full-throated endorsement of the Ukraine reform agenda that I was hoping to hear."


"Hoping to hear" means that Morrison apparently had his own program for Ukraine foreign policy and the elected president didn't measure up. We know how easily the swamp gets its feeling hurt. After all they are the ones who have been and forever should remain in charge.

Morrison added that he and Eisenberg agreed that access to the call should be restricted, but then claimed Eisbenberg later told him that he did not intend for the call summary to be placed on a highly classified server. According to Morrison, Eisenberg's staff apparently put it there by mistake and nothing in the call's contents warranted placement on the classified server.

Do you think the ongoing leak fest in DC may have been a good reason? Should all presidential conversations be public?


"We [Morrison and Hill] both discussed that Ukraine was not in the EU, which led to the follow-on question of, why is he involved in Ukraine?" said Morrison of Sondland, who is expected to testify publicly on Wednesday. Morrison, who is set to publicly testify Tuesday, added that he became concerned while listening to the July 25 phone call that Hill's fear that Sondland was involved in a "parallel process" of making Ukraine policy was true.

Sorry, Trump apparently forgot he needs your approval to get Sondland involved. But you know he doesn't actually need your approval but it really is important to express to Shiff's committee how much it hurt your feelings when Trump didn't seek it.


Marie Yovanovitch calls Trump tweet 'very intimidating'

More feelings..... The article is laden with more "how did it make you feel when....." stuff but I am tired of pointing them out.

You will dismiss contrary views anyway because, like the sign on display behind the seated committee members said on day 1, "Trump must be impeached to prevent his re-election" Can your progressive little brain appreciate the irony and subversiveness in that statement.

BTW, after this guilty verdict in search of a crime fails, I suggest an investigation into who removed all those "Do Not Remove" tags from the mattresses in the various Trump hotels.
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If every President fired every military general who had supported, donated other party, imagine the plight of Military. The same is being done by Republicans on FBI and other agencies. - Kinran

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Only the ones who attempted a soft coup by lying to the FISA court and committing various other crimes such as modifying 302's to match a preconceived narrative.
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So the adviser is the self appointed authority

No appointed by the administration to advise them. Hope you get that. Their job is to advise the administration. The President can make up his own decision on the foreign policy, but that doesn't mean he get to use foreign policy as a weapon against his political opponents.

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said at a campaign rally. I give him credit for that. I thought even for his supporters there are some lines Trump cannot cross. But it looks like Trump can do anything and his supporters are going to blame everyone except Trump for his actions.
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If you want the clearest explanation of the dems case against President Trump, watch this 45 second video:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-SieCU11r4




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<<Trump is fighting against all sorts of people not because they are fighting his agenda, because Trump as a person is weak, has no morals, ethics and certainly no class. You cannot keep justifying his actions saying that is his style, he is punching back, etc. At this point it is not just Trump's failure, but the collective failure of the country to have elected such a person. What a shame.>>



Democrats opposing Trump have no morals, ethics or class. They are motivated by hate and fear of losing their power and control over the political narrative of the United States.


It's a straight out slug fest for control of that political agenda.

That's what politics is all about, at it's most fundamental level.


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Democrats opposing Trump

How simplistic! All those who are opposed to Trump are democrats and therefore...
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<<Trump is fighting against all sorts of people not because they are fighting his agenda, because Trump as a person is weak, has no morals, ethics and certainly no class. You cannot keep justifying his actions saying that is his style, he is punching back, etc. At this point it is not just Trump's failure, but the collective failure of the country to have elected such a person. What a shame.>>

Trump treats Democrats the way Democrats have treated Republicans throughout my adult life. Apparently that means Trump is without class but the Democrats are just fine...

And if electing him was a collective failure of the country, what would you call the collective failure of electing Clinton who acted the same way, Obama who acted the same way only more so, or the Democrat majority in the House who don't seem to care about multiple violations of federal law as long as those violations serve to embarrass Trump?
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The issue here is elected official is violation of norms, activities that are highly questionable and assuming he is above the law and can do anything.

I agree with you that Lyndon Johnson acted outside of his authority in the Gulf of Tonkin and considered this normative behavior based on circumstances in Viet Nam. But I don't recall any impeachment inquiry into his actions...do you??

Trump as a person is weak, has no morals, ethics and certainly no class.

I realize your authorities at CNN prescribe to you how to feel about Trump and how to interpret his every action. But here's something you'll never hear from your heros at CNN:

Trump is where he is as a matter of conviction and service. He's not there, like most of his Democrat underlings and career bureaucrats, for money or power or the pension. Trump is an example of sacrifice for service...he has given up a great deal to be there.

Trump, unlike his professional political predecessors, does what he says he'll do, without or with little regard to the politics of what he's doing

Trump is likely the most resilient public servant you'll ever encounter. Most political figure-Presidents would have run and holed-up in the White House with the attacks leveled at them (think Jimmy Carter). But these assails just roll off Trump's back, and he's off the next day on a critical meeting with some foreign dignitary.

Trump will stand up to China. Unlike Obama who hurled tough rhetoric but then did nothing, Trump actually acts.

Trump knows what fuels American business and what must be done to sustain and grow that. Unlike career politicians, he sees US business as this country's future and not solely as a source of funding for his next re-election campaign.

Trump will never win the Nobel Peace Price for his oratory panache as Obama did. Trump was not raised as a politician and so has not, thankfully, refined and polished the skill of telling us is spell-binding articulation what ever it is he thinks we want to hear, and then going off and doing (or not-doing) something else. Nope, what you see is what you get. The denizens of the media are delighted to castigate Trump on what they view as any misstep, while a growing majority of the population have learned to simply let the guy be himself and focus instead on what he is able to accomplish for the good of us all.

But you go back to your friends and heros at CNN or MSNBC or who ever you apparently routinely listen to and let them tell you how to think. Fortunately, as actual facts become more available and replace the purveyors of hate-rhetoric and name-calling, as you've shown above, such individuals and their organization will gradually shrink to the fringe, where they belong.

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Trump is where he is as a matter of conviction and service. He's not there, like most of his Democrat underlings and career bureaucrats, for money or power or the pension. Trump is an example of sacrifice for service...he has given up a great deal to be there.

Trump, unlike his professional political predecessors, does what he says he'll do, without or with little regard to the politics of what he's doing

Trump is likely the most resilient public servant you'll ever encounter. Most political figure-Presidents would have run and holed-up in the White House with the attacks leveled at them (think Jimmy Carter). But these assails just roll off Trump's back, and he's off the next day on a critical meeting with some foreign dignitary. - BruceCM


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Damn good stuff Bruce. Clearly should be top of the best of list if the TMF nannies still allowed this board to participate.
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<<and certainly no class.>>



Class is certainly what provokes much of the disdain of the left.

Leftists have a powerful disdain for anyone making appeals to the working class, in the idiom of the working class.


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How MANY Deep Staters were listening in on Trump's phone call with a head of state?
The Oval Office must have a Party Line.


Remember when that Clinton adviser let a prostitute listen in on presidential phone calls?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morris
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I realize your authorities at CNN prescribe to you
Speak for yourself...

Trump is likely the most resilient public servant you'll ever encounter.
He is hardly resilient. He cannot take a hit and be decent. I don't think he took any more heat than what Hillary took on Bengazhi, but there is a vast difference in how both responded, considering I don't even like Hillary.

But these assails just roll off Trump's back
Are we living in the same planet? Nothing rolls off Trump's back, he cannot handle any criticism, he just comes back with vile, indecent, obnoxious attack. He is not a choir boy you are portraying.

Trump will stand up to China
I will give him credit for trying to tackle China, even though I might disagree with his methods, and so far it has not yielded any results and probably hurt US more than China, still I will give him credit for making an attempt.

Trump was not raised as a politician and so has not, thankfully, refined and polished the skill of telling us is spell-binding articulation

Don't confuse being direct with crudeness. I myself is not a polished guy, and I can handle someone putting this directly, but don't cover up his crudeness, rudeness and uncivil behavior. I am not even sure that is his natural behavior, I think it is a show because he believes there are folks who like it.
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<<Don't confuse being direct with crudeness. I myself is not a polished guy, and I can handle someone putting this directly, but don't cover up his crudeness, rudeness and uncivil behavior. I am not even sure that is his natural behavior, I think it is a show because he believes there are folks who like it.>>


Don't like Trump's personality?

Tough.

Thjat costs him politically, but frankly his political opponents are determined to destroy him if he can. He either rolls over and lets them win or he gives as good as he gets, or better.

It's a flat out political war between Trump, liberals and the news media.

I find it amusing when the NYT whines about how they aren't being treated as "journalists" after they've been beating up on Trump for years.


In short---- tough.


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frankly his political opponents are determined to destroy him

That's true for every President, I don't think Trump has any more opposition than what Obama faced. But how they respond, there is a difference. It is wrong to paint everyone who disagrees with him are out to destroy him or evil and bad. That shows a serious lack of maturity required for the office and the lack of class on his part is basically one of his many character shortcomings. It is sad America had elected a very flawed, insecure, crude, rude person.
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<< It is wrong to paint everyone who disagrees with him are out to destroy him or evil and bad. That shows a serious lack of maturity required for the office and the lack of class on his part is basically one of his many character shortcomings. >>


That's my assessment.

I think the New York Times was horrified that they enabled Trump tyo become the Republican nominee and President, and used all their considerable power from election night to now to ruin him out of office.

I'm sure they have been amazed that they haven't been successful when they had so much success doing something similar to Richard Nixon.


But Trump is determined to resist the attacks made on him, and I expect that the impeachment charges the House will bring will result in Trump's vindication in the Senate. He will then go on to being vindicated by the American people in the 2020 election, and by having the House returned to Republican control so that this farce will not be repeated.

Time will tell.



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"I don't think Trump has any more opposition than what Obama faced."

Come on!....the Media (other than FoxNews)was in the bag for Obama.

Day one Obama gets a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing....well, he did wage war in SEVEN mid-east countries - some 'peace' President...

No one has yet seen a transcript of his grades at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard and to date, not one professor at those universities will say they had him in a class. Duh! .....

He got a pass on everything...could do no wrong....

He got his ObamaKare passed at 3am in the morning with lots of porkulus to buy the necessary votes......

Heck , the press slobbered over him. Could find no wrong....praised him constantly. Impeachment? Gimme a break.....


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No one has yet seen a transcript of his grades at Occidental

From birther certificate to college transcript? The silliness of Republicans can be only attributed to the envy of lesser men for accomplished. He became editor of Harvard law review. How? That is based on his grades, his writing skills. You don't pass "magna cum laude" for not showing up any class.

These kind of utter lies is a character many of Trump's supporters share with him.
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" He became editor of Harvard law review. How"

that's an excellent question.

Turns out he didn't do much editing and it was a ghost position for him.

He got it the same way he got the Nobel Peace Prize before he actually had time in office.

He had some very strong backers.

Not one prof at Harvard has indicated he actually took a class there.

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<No one has yet seen a transcript of his grades at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard>


The transcript I am waiting to see is the one where Obama promised to pay Iran $150 million in cash. I do not recall congress ever authorizing any such payments. Did Obama take it all out of petty cash? If there was ever a quid pro quo, that would seem to be a textbook example, not this silly Ukraine nonsense.



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Turns out he didn't do much editing and it was a ghost position for him....
Not one prof at Harvard has indicated he actually took a class there.


Now, you are repeating the talking points of Trump, which are debunked. His classmates have come forward along with his roommates. This is just an unsubstantiated claim by Trump, in his style a pathological lie. But hey, when you lie rarely people call it out, but if you are like Trump, lie every waking moment, people sort of expect that. Trump and many of his followers start with a lie, fully knowing they are lieing, and they repeat it so often at some point they start believing it themselves.

Don't fall for that.
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The transcript I am waiting to see is the one where Obama promised to pay Iran $150 million in cash. I do not recall congress ever authorizing any such payments. Did Obama take it all out of petty cash? If there was ever a quid pro quo, that would seem to be a textbook example, not this silly Ukraine nonsense.

BG


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Point well taken BG. One small quibble, the amount was $1.7B not a paltry $150M.

When it comes to bribes, go big or go home.

http://www.americanlibertyreport.com/articles/how-much-money...
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If there was ever a quid pro quo, that would seem to be a textbook example, not this silly Ukraine nonsense.

The "quid pro quo" fuss is definitely nonsense, as that's actually the normal way of doing business... if you buy groceries you have a quid pro quo arrangement with the grocer - you take food from them and in exchange you give them money.

The question is: does the quo serve the interests of those who are actually paying the quid?

It does not matter if the transaction also serves other interests. Particularly not if it serves other interests by making the people who do it look good politically. In theory, doing what's right and doing what's good for the country will look better politically than doing what's wrong or bad for the country... so to avoid "quid pro quo" accusations, politicians should deliberately and systematically do bad things and damage the country, right?

(Actually, that would explain a lot...)

Rooting out corruption in Ukraine is good for Ukraine and the honest people thereof; if corruption in Ukraine laps over into corruption in the US, then rooting it out in the US is likewise good for the US. Yeah, it looked likely that IF the investigation went on it would implicate one of Trump's major political rivals, and thus benefit Trump - so what?

Preventing such rooting out is not good for either Ukraine or the US. Biden wanted it prevented, and CLAIMS to have used quid-pro-quo with US taxpayers paying the quid. (He's definitely got some details wrong; whether his overall story is substantially correct is less than perfectly clear but there's significant supporting evidence for it).
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One small quibble, the amount was $1.7B not a paltry $150M.

When it comes to bribes, go big or go home


Spoken like a true Trump supporter. Paying bills is viewed as bribe??

Iran paid $400M in 1970's for military equipment, which US never delivered. The principle and the interest is the $1.7 Billion.

Of course, Trump makes up lies and gullible are too eager to buy it. The sad part is all of you are lot smarter to fall for such an outright, pathological lies. Why you buy such lies?
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Did Obama take it all out of petty cash? If there was ever a quid pro quo, that would seem to be a textbook example, not this silly Ukraine nonsense.

Of course, we are all free to believe what we want, but don't have right to make up "facts". Just because Trump makes up facts, you can do that too. Don't make up lies as Truth.
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Rooting out corruption in Ukraine is good for Ukraine and the honest people thereof; if corruption in Ukraine laps over into corruption in the US, then rooting it out in the US is likewise good for the US

There is a long, documented history of corruption, fraud, cheating, assault by Trump in his personal, and business lives. Trump is a guy who stole from a charity for Veterans, cheated contractors, wives, investors, his customers, paid many millions in fees and fines.

He is one of those worst elements of US and he is rooting out corruption?? What universe are you from?

How could you suspend disbelief? Trumps' evil behavior goes back decades and consistent throughout his business and adult life. So don't paint this as "liberal media" or fake news.
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The transcript I am waiting to see is the one where Obama promised to pay Iran $150 million in cash. I do not recall congress ever authorizing any such payments. Did Obama take it all out of petty cash?


It was Iran's money, frozen since the 70s. Congressional approval wasn't needed.
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How sad.. The state department has over 30 thousand employees, these are the folks who help Americans in distress outside the country to help American business at the world stage, to fighting international crimes, to effectively advance american positions as Ambassadors.

It is pathetic to see one guy get elected and suddenly all branches of government employees acting as traitors.



There, fixed that for you.

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Ok, back to our RIF portion of the thread:

Pence adviser says Trump request that Ukraine open Biden probe was 'unusual and inappropriate'


"Unusual" and "inappropriate" are not synonymous with "illegal". And they really have no right to say what is "Unusual" and "inappropriate" as it is the President that DECIDES what is appropriate and usual with regards to foreign policy.

This post brought to you courtesy of Levar Burton

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The issue here is elected official is violation of norms,


Ok, let me introduce you to a new link:

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/illegal

I see many synonyms in there, but I do not see "unusual" or "inappropriate", and just as a reminder as y'all on the left seem to have short memories, the PRESIDENT sets foreign policy and decides what is "usual" and "appropriate".

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<<It is pathetic to see one guy get elected and suddenly all branches of government employees acting as traitors.


There, fixed that for you.

Kathleen>>


I don't think the Deep State actors are traitors.


The problem is, that like Federal judges, they have too much job security. When that happens, people have the freedom to quit pleasing and following the directions of their boss, and start following their political biases instead. When too much of that occurs, you have what amounts to political parties of like minded people forming within the government, displacing the role and function of elected politicians.


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That's true for every President, I don't think Trump has any more opposition than what Obama faced.

ROFL!!!! That's the best one-liner I've heard in ages!! The MSM gave Obama a daily "O-job" in the press. He could have shot someone and butchered their body up in the middle of the White House Press Room and they would have said, "Oh, look. He's practicing his carving skills."

HE ALLOWED HIS AMBASSADOR TO DIE BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO SEND PROTECTION!!!

The MSM so throughly abdicated their roles during the Obama admin that they barely acknowledged that Obama actually had the intelligence agencies SPYING on them. That is something a third-world dictator does, and the MSM completely ignored it when they knew about Fox and James Rosen. They did care at all until it was the AP, and even then, they took it with not just a grain of salt, but the entire salt cavern!!

Obama had it ridiculously easy when he was president. He broke more laws that can be believed.

Kathleen
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From birther certificate to college transcript?


Just an FYI from someone that DID have issues getting my American birth certificate, that whole thing was such a line of crud from Obama. He had his certificate forged. I have absolutely no doubts on that at all.I have way too much experience in that area.

Kathleen
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One small quibble, the amount was $1.7B not a paltry $150M.

When it comes to bribes, go big or go home


Spoken like a true Trump supporter.



And yet, it was Obama that paid the money.



Paying bills is viewed as bribe??

Iran paid $400M in 1970's for military equipment, which US never delivered. The principle and the interest is the $1.7 Billion.



Uh sweetie, the reason we did not deliver is because they killed our ambassador and kidnapped our people who were then held hostage for over a year until Reagan was sworn in as President at which point they decided to release the hostages because Reagan made it clear he would cheerfully and happily turn that sandlot into glass.

That was not a "bill", that waS a BRIBE because the "bill" was paid with peoples lives. I know that doesn't bother leftists, but you should at least acknowledge it.

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the reason we did not deliver is because they killed our ambassador and kidnapped our people

Revisionist history, is there a rule that if you are a Trump supporter you have to lie at every opportunity?

Obama administration settled the issue really cheap because international arbitration court is about to award close to $10 B to Iran.

Of course facts be damned. Keep on telling lies and at some point people may believe is the operating principle of GOP and conservatives it seems. How sad.
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I have way too much experience in that area.

If you are saying you are a fraud and therefore others are fraud... that doesn't make any sense.
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Just an FYI from someone that DID have issues getting my American birth certificate, that whole thing was such a line of crud from Obama. He had his certificate forged. I have absolutely no doubts on that at all.I have way too much experience in that area.

And another view on that: the whole fuss was over a STUPID oversight in the immigration laws that should have been fixed - retroactively if necessary.

If Obama's mother had been two years older (and resided in the US for those two years), OR unmarried, the question probably wouldn't have arisen. Because she was married to a non-citizen, if Obama was born outside the US then he would only be a natural-born citizen if his mother met a condition that she couldn't possibly meet strictly because the law as written had a hard age requirement, and she wasn't old enough.

There are quite a few reasons I didn't think Obama should be President. This is not one of them. This is a defect in the law.

By the way, there was another equally stupid - or even more stupid - alleged oversight involving McCain. He was born in a civilian hospital in the Panama Canal Zone back when the US controlled it; his parents were both US citizens, over the age to not cause Obama's issues, in the US military and stationed in Panama - so, as far as THEIR legal residency is concerned, they were clearly in the US.

The citizenship laws cover those born inside the US, including children of US military and diplomatic personnel who are born in military hospitals overseas. And they cover those born outside the US to US citizen parents (with the little problem Obama might have tripped over).

But supposedly a civilian hospital in the Panama Canal Zone was, as a matter of law, neither inside nor outside the US, so neither portion of the law definitely applied and one could possibly argue that he was not a natural-born citizen.

(When McCain was running for President, a "Sense of the Senate" resolution said that yes he's a natural-born citizen. It passed, unanimously. It should serve as sufficient precedent for anyone else who for any reason is tripping over the same alleged oddity.)
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the reason we did not deliver is because they killed our ambassador and kidnapped our people

Revisionist history, is there a rule that if you are a Trump supporter you have to lie at every opportunity?



So, you're saying our people were NOT held hostage for over year??????

Kathleen
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"the reason we did not deliver is because they killed our ambassador and kidnapped our people

Revisionist history, is there a rule that if you are a Trump supporter you have to lie at every opportunity?


So, you're saying our people were NOT held hostage for over year??????

Kathleen "

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