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[I met one of Forrest's descendants, selling Confederate flags (of course), at a convention many years ago.

Anybody who tells you racism in America is dead is mistaken.]

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Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest who headed the Ku Klux Klan is exhumed along with his wife from Memphis burial site after BLM protests and transferred to museum 200 miles away

The bodies of General Nathan Bedford Forrest, notorious for the massacre of 300 black Union soldiers after they surrendered, and his wife, are being moved ...

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Forrest's statue which stood over his grave was removed in December 2017 but the Sons of Confederate Veterans sued Memphis Greenspace, a non-profit which has bought up city property holding Confederate monuments, on the grounds it violated the state's cemetery law and Heritage Protection Law

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The Sons of Confederate Veterans then dropped their lawsuit and agreed with Greenspace to disinter the bodies of Forrest and his wife, Mary Ann Montgomery, who will be taken, with the statue, to the National Confederate Museum at Elm Springs in Columbia, Tennessee

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9647567/Confederate...
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Bedford Forrest deserves a measure of respect for the fighting he did for the Confederacy. He fought for the wrong side. But reducing that to a slavery issue goes to far.

That he should not be honored on public property but rather on private property seems a reasonable compromise.
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"Anybody who tells you racism in America is dead is mistaken"

My guess is that "anybody" would be someone from the Trump Cult.

Ken
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"Bedford Forrest deserves a measure of respect for the fighting he did for the Confederacy"

Why do secessionist traitors and their enablers or cohorts deserve ANY measure of respect? Then or now?

Ken
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Their families still care.
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"Their families still care."

Does not answer my question at all. But thanks for playing.

Ken
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I don't think your question can be answered yes or no. There are many shades of gray in between. I wonder what a national pole would say.

Respect on private property by those who care is ok with me.
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Respect on private property by those who care is ok with me.

As long as it's very, very private, OK with me if family and friends want to "honor" this...person.

NBF has a very illustrious history that, I suppose, is respected by more people in the US than I would have thought just a few short years ago. Let's look at just a few highlights:

-prior to the war, he was a wealthy merchant and businessman who made much of his money in the slave trade
-during the war, he slaughtered hundreds of surrendering soldiers, both black and white, and also
-committed atrocities such as crucifying and burning them alive
-after the war, he was one of the first members and first Grand Wizard of the KKK

Just several of the list of wonderful things this traitor in shades of gray was well-known for.

Pete
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I agree with you...as long as it's applied equally.


"The late Sen. Robert C. Byrd, the West Virginia Democrat and Senate majority leader who organized a Klan chapter in 1941 and filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964, is celebrated in the state, his name gracing over three dozen public works projects, including two federal courthouses, a dam on the Ohio border, libraries, community centers, roads, bridges, schools, and several university buildings throughout the state."

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/11/west-virginia-democrats...

gcr
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You confuse seeking redemption with continuing damning acts until death.

Ken
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Freedom of speech allows you to express whatever view you please.

Others have other points of view they are free to express.

Yes, rules on public property are appropriate. But in private, its difficult to regulate. Unless they are breaking the law.

If alt-right groups march with Nazi flags is that illegal? In public, permit required. On private property probably not.

We are discussing censorship. Where do you draw the line?
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"Freedom of speech allows you to express whatever view you please."

Actually, no it doesn't.

"We are discussing censorship. Where do you draw the line?"

We can start with the classic baseline: yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater when there is no fire.

Ken
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Yes, public safety is one of the limits on freedom of speech. There are others such as child pornography, counterfeiting, forgery, false advertising, and various types of fraud.

Some subjects are painful to others, but those ideas are not illegal.
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But reducing that to a slavery issue goes to far.

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Why do you ignore the killing of 300 black prisoners? Racist SOB in my book.
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I still say freedom of speech allows people to honor or admire anyone they choose -- even if they are tyrants.
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I still say freedom of speech allows people to honor or admire anyone they choose -- even if they are tyrants.

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Freedom of speech? Do you think people can stand at TV/radio microphone and announce to the audience that they honor and admire Stalin, or Hitler, or Mao, or Mussolini, or Cromwell, or Nazi Death Camp Commandant, or a Soviet Gulag Commandant?
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On private property, yes that is their right.

On public property, no. They need a permit.

On public airwaves, no. FCC will not allow it.

On private internet or streaming channel, good question. I wonder.

Bottom line is constitution says yes unless forbidden for some reason.
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"I don't agree with what you say, but I respect your right to say it."
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Not sure Cromwell belongs in that list, all others are twentieth century (about 75 years ago too).

But yes, people can honor them if they want. I imagine public broadcast rules censor most. We don't really have rules for narrowcast announcements.
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I might feel a need to defend your right to say something objectionable. That does not mean I in any way respect what you said.

Ken
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