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<<Vermonter:"Sigh... We're ready for spring some day!"

Spent 4 years in Troy NY and my recollection was it got to be 'warm' about the time of final exams....and that was mid to late MAY.

Of course, up that way, June is also known as 'black fly' month which usually follows May as 'mud month'.......across much of VT and upstate NY...

The worst part of winter, beside the cold, snow, wind, dark......was the grime that accumulated on the sides of the road....black piles of snow/grit snow ice from the road sanding and plowing .......throughout the winter.....

Then by late April, after a 'short summer' from maybe July 4 to Labor Day, with maybe a few days of Indian summer after....the leaves would start turning in late early/early September - letting you know that October would be leaf raking month...and possibly the first snow to have to shovel....>>


I spent a couple of winters in East Lansing, Mi at Michigan State University. Something of a shock climate wise for a Seattle boy.


I have vivid memories of the traditional Easter snowstorm which piled up fresh snow which was then plowed over the sidewalks I would have like to be able to use. The sidewalks could have four feet of snow covering them, replete with the grit you describe from the streets.

Perhaps Global Warming is helping to solve that climate issue for Michigan residents? One can only hope.



Seattle Pioneer
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