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ungood, double-plus
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swat i thought.
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Might not be a bad idea to brush up on the Quran
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twas jes thinkin dat

(scaredycats we b)
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Chapter 3, Verse 4 through Verse 6:
SHAKIR: Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution.

SHAKIR: Allah-- surely nothing is hidden from Him in the earth or in the heaven.

SHAKIR: He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He likes; there is no god but He, the Mighty, the Wise.

Bruce


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Damn, this is scary stuff, Carte Blanche. Can someone comment on the quality of this translation? From Chapter 2:

6.
Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.
7.
Allâh has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting Allâh's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment.
8.
And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: "We believe in Allâh and the Last Day" while in fact they believe not.
9.
They (think to) deceive Allâh and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves, and perceive (it) not!
10.
In their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allâh has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies.
11.
And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers."
12.
Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.
13.
And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him , Al-Ansâr and Al-Muhajirûn) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.
14.
And when they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe," but when they are alone with their Shayâtin (devils - polytheists, hypocrites, etc.), they say: "Truly, we are with you; verily, we were but mocking."
15.
Allâh mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doings to wander blindly.
16.
These are they who have purchased error for guidance, so their commerce was profitless. And they were not guided.
17.
Their likeness is as the likeness of one who kindled a fire; then, when it lighted all around him, Allâh took away their light and left them in darkness. (So) they could not see.
18.
They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
19.
Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness, thunder, and lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunderclap for fear of death. But Allâh ever encompasses the disbelievers (i.e. Allâh will gather them all together).
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The lightning almost snatches away their sight, whenever it flashes for them, they walk therein, and when darkness covers them, they stand still. And if Allâh willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Certainly, Allâh has power over all things.
21.
O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allâh), Who created you and those who were before you so that you may become Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2).
22.
Who has made the earth a resting place for you, and the sky as a canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do not set up rivals unto Allâh (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped). []
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And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'ân) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a Sûrah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allâh, if you are truthful.
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But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.
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whafa,

Here is a translation I use, recommended by a friend.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html

Please remember that extremists have taken the words of the Qur'an and twisted them to serve their own purposes. Many muslims live peaceful lives.

Bruce
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Many muslims live peaceful lives.


Those aren't the ones I'm worried about! Thanks for the link
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odd for this board but

19:17 Then45 I saw one angel standing in46 the sun, and he shouted in a loud voice to all the birds flying high in the sky:47

“Come, gather around for the great banquet48 of God,

19:18 to eat49 your fill50 of the flesh of kings,

the flesh of generals,51

the flesh of powerful people,

the flesh of horses and those who ride them,

and the flesh of all people, both free and slave,52

and small and great!”

19:19 Then53 I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to do battle with the one who rode the horse and with his army. 19:20 Now54 the beast was seized, and along with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf55—signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire burning with sulfur.56 19:21 The57 others were killed by the sword that extended from the mouth of the one who rode the horse, and all the birds gorged58 themselves with their flesh.



Revelation 19

I mentioned the magical islamic number of 19 a while back.

I have been discussing this with my theological friends for years. There is a way to read Jewish, Islamic, and Christian texts and on one hand they all overlap nicely and on the other one says that they are going to go to war and destroy the others.

About a decade ago when I was first confronted by southern baptists that were end of dayers, I became entranced by what they thought and the percieved lengths that they would be willing to go to in order to help out.

At that same time I found my Buddhist-shamanic karma.

The big three religions at the extremes are all hell bent on destroying one another. Right now the extremists are in control of the US, Israel, and the Islamic world.

It should be clear if they get their wish in the next two and 1/2 months. If we make it through that time frame, more rational thought might resume, but I wouldn't bet on that.

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The big three religions at the extremes are all hell bent on destroying one another. Right now the extremists are in control of the US, Israel, and the Islamic world.

"They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon. (or: Destroyer) --Revelation 9:11

Let's not forget who the other guys are serving, ultimately all religions preach that good wins out over evil. Technology notwithstanding we still have this world to try and live in.

Bruce
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ultimately all religions preach that good wins out over evil

not mine
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About a decade ago when I was first confronted by southern baptists that were end of dayers, I became entranced by what they thought and the percieved lengths that they would be willing to go to in order to help out.


Yup. Living here in the bible belt has been an education. shudder
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ultimately all religions preach that good wins out over evil

not mine

OK, but don't you believe that one day your circle or wheel of creation will allow you to reach a more perfected existence if you live rightly?

Bruce
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OK, but don't you believe that one day your circle or wheel of creation will allow you to reach a more perfected existence if you live rightly?

No.
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OK, correct me this last time if I am wrong...are you Buddhist?
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are you Buddhist

yes. Zen Buddhist, very different from other schools.
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Yup. Living here in the bible belt has been an education. shudder

When i think back on the crap i learned in Sunday School,
it's a wonder I can think at all,
but my deep indoctrination hasn't hurt me none,
when i get porn ads in my email i click 'em all.

Kodachro-o-o-ohm. (Sorry Paul)
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