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German politicians tell men to have more sex
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5295432/?GT1=3584

"Johannes Singhammer, a member of parliament and father of six, said Germany's aging population needed to produce more offspring to sustain its overstretched pensions system."

Are they serious? This sounds like something out of Atlas Shrugged. Listen to this:
“We need to have the courage to have sex and take the consequences,” said Klein, who has two children. “People concentrating on themselves, which has led to a life without children for many, has gone wrong.”
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Anybody who is interested in the dilemma facing most non-muslim European countries which is a seriously declining population, might want to read "The Death of the West" by Pat Buchanan. It is a very inciteful book.
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“We need to have the courage to have sex"

Come on, Repubs, you can do it!

Erk
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It is a very inciteful book.

Yeah, but is it insightful? ;-)
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Wow, they don't even attempt to sugar-coat the fact that they need another generation born into servitude to keep the scheme going.

Pretty disgusting.

FoolNBlue
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I could see declining birth rates posing some economic problems for the country, but encouraging everyone to have kids so we can save grandpa's pension? Sorry ... they lost me.
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"I could see declining birth rates posing some economic problems for the country, but encouraging everyone to have kids so we can save grandpa's pension? Sorry ... they lost me.

HI walkyb21,

It will be inertesting to see what happens in the USA as the Worker/Retiree ratio declines in the coming years as the baby boomers leave the work force and begin collecting SS checks... What will our "leaders" suggest as a solution?? Better not count on Social Security for much.

Ken
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If they tell us to start having babies so we can save social security, I'm heading to Germany. :) Wait, that won't help.

It will be very interesting to see what our buddies in Washington "recommend". So far, we've successfully skirted the issue and procrastinated the hangover. While I personally think it would be a good thing to increase fertility rates, to do so in order to save a pension is terrible logic. I prefer to kill a weed by pulling it up by the roots rather than pulling off a few leaves. Government sponsored retirement needs to end. Along with several other types of subsidies ...

Not holding my breath,
walky
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By the way, I like your name, Matt1344. Here's one of my favorites, in the same vein: Matt 6:33.

Fight the good fight,
walky
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"If they tell us to start having babies so we can save social security, I'm heading to Germany. :) Wait, that won't help.

walky,

Well at least their government is suggesting that their citizens do the scre.... rather than the government scre.... them, which is more likely what Washington will do to us ;-^)

Not holding my breath either, just hope we're not left holding the bag,

Ken
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"By the way, I like your name, Matt1344. Here's one of my favorites, in the same vein: Matt 6:33.

walky,

Good catch, most times I'm called Matt until I explain. Lots of good choices in Matt. Thanks for sharing yours with me.

Ken
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Hmm ... good point. :) Although I'm pretty sure the german government is doing its share of generally messing things up for its citizens nearly as well as ours is ... maybe better! The "socialization" is a bit more advanced over there in many areas.

But then again, they've got the Black Forest! I lived there for 2 years and it's a BEAUTIFUL country! Maybe I WILL move back when Washington tells us to have more babies.

Well, gotta run. Nice chattin' with ya.

walky
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I would be happy to go over there and help them out...
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Believe me, Washington does want us to have more babies. We face the same sort of problem as Germany, and only to a slightly lesser extent.

I thought that with my wife and I having no children, that we were helping out society with its overpopulation and pollution problems. Not that that's at all why I don't have children, of course. It's interesting, though, that I have sex all the time, and yet seem to avoid having children :)

Seriously, if you are going to social engineer, isn't it better that we *limit* the population so they don't consume our resources.

Not only is "Social Security" social engineering run amok, but it's social engineering *dead wrong*. It would be much better (not Libertarian, but more effective) to do what Singapore does and force everyone working to save 30% of their income (10% of that is company match) and invest in a retirement account. At least in Singapore, the money still technically belongs to the contributor, and can be withdrawn for many, many more reasons, including as their unemployment insurance, health insurance, etc.

For individuals in the U.S., the simplest way to avoid starving when you are no longer useful for work is to save that 30% each year while earning an income. But that would lower consumer spending which would be bad for coroporations, no wouldn't it? And that's most important isn't it, because that creates jobs? Thus perpetuating the servitude of the masses.

Why doesn't the left see what I see? That the masses saving money is the best way to break the cycle of servitude?

It's as simple as the math you learned in grade school. If you save 30% a year and invest it at a rate equal to inflation, then a person who starts working at age 21 and lives to the age of 90 can retire at the age of 69?

Using the math you learned in high school, invested at a rate 5% better than inflation, you can retire at age 45. That's right, work 24 years, not work 45 years. All that requires is that you have a lower standard of living by 30%, and if you look at the rest of the world, you'll find a crapload of people who get by with less than even that.

Individuals have the power to do this themselves, without and despite the government involved.

-JAR

P.S.
R.I.P JG2
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<<Believe me, Washington does want us to have more babies.>>

Yep - just look at the child tax credit.

<<I thought that with my wife and I having no children, that we were helping out society with its overpopulation and pollution problems.>>

That's very kind of you. I don't think overpopulation is a problem, but I respect your right to limit your posterity.

<<Seriously, if you are going to social engineer,>> ...

Woah! Let's not social engineer at all.

<<It would be much better (not Libertarian, but more effective) to do what Singapore does and force everyone working to save 30% of their income>>

Maybe, but as you say, it doesn't exactly fit the principle of liberty. If we could convince people to face the music and deal with their economic hangovers now, that would be great. But once we try to legislate such noble endeavors, we always mess things up.

Let's you and I educate people to save 30% of their income voluntarily and maybe they won't need social security. I'd love to get rid of social security completely (and I'll do what I can), but all I can be sure of is my own ability to save for the future. Let's influence others to do the same by persuasion rather than legislation.

<<Why doesn't the left see what I see? That the masses saving money is the best way to break the cycle of servitude?>>

I think they see more clearly than they let on. I think most of the "left" aren't really concerned about the needs of their constituents. They're more interested in power. The same goes for the "right" and any other direction you can think of. A problem of human nature, I imagine. I believe that's why the Founders wanted to limit government - because they knew we couldn't trust people with power.

<<Individuals have the power to do this themselves, without and despite the government involved.>>

Amen, brother. :) It's a shame the government makes it harder, but we can still do it.
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Wow, they don't even attempt to sugar-coat the fact that they need another generation born into servitude to keep the scheme going.

Pretty disgusting.


FoolNBlue,

Agreed. Socialism always ends up in the same place: "Yeah, well, it failed this time, but if we could just get MORE money and MORE people to participate, THIS TIME it would REALLY work."

What they lack in common sense, they make up for in persistence. Unfortunately, persisting in going down the wrong path is not a very productive enterprise.

Dean
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