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After 8 cashes in 10 events over three days, I was surely set up for a fall from grace. I started the day with two OTMs in my bread and butter 10-table SNGs (32nd and 30th of 90). Then I tried the two pokerstars vigless late night MTTs. At $.50 I finished 650 of 1870 when QQ cracked my KK on the turn. Then, in the late $.25 I was doing astoundingly well. It was the first time I have finished in the top 5% of a real money tournament with over 90 entrants. I knew I was in for a good day when at some point over a half hour into the 2780-entrant MTT I looked up and saw I was in sixth place on the leaderboard with about 10K chips (1.5K to start). I finished 96th, which was a bit disappointing because I needed to finish in 72nd to break even for the day after my three earlier losses. If it weren't for this nightmare hand I think I would have broken even:

PokerStars Game #28667084183: Tournament #165723621, $0.25+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2009/05/27 0:59:55 ET
Table '165723621 184' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ElT007 (45672 in chips)
Seat 2: hayderix55 (25308 in chips)
Seat 3: JeepRide (45925 in chips)
Seat 4: 007XFILES (7740 in chips)
Seat 5: trn the nutz (18174 in chips)
Seat 6: ours34 (45150 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: glenplake (36284 in chips)
Seat 9: Hambone8705 (115268 in chips)
ElT007: posts the ante 150
hayderix55: posts the ante 150
JeepRide: posts the ante 150
007XFILES: posts the ante 150
trn the nutz: posts the ante 150
ours34: posts the ante 150
glenplake: posts the ante 150
Hambone8705: posts the ante 150
Hambone8705: posts small blind 800
ElT007: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ElT007 [Ad 8h]
hayderix55: folds
JeepRide: folds
GilfHunter69 is connected
007XFILES: folds
trn the nutz: folds
ours34: folds
glenplake: folds
Hambone8705: raises 1600 to 3200
ElT007: calls 1600
*** FLOP *** [4c 8s 5h]
Hambone8705: bets 3200
ElT007: raises 8800 to 12000
Hambone8705: calls 8800
*** TURN *** [4c 8s 5h] [3c]
Hambone8705: checks
ElT007: bets 30322 and is all-in
Hambone8705: calls 30322
*** RIVER *** [4c 8s 5h 3c] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hambone8705: shows [6s 7s] (a straight, Four to Eight)
ElT007: shows [Ad 8h] (a pair of Eights)

Maybe I should have come over the top pre-flop since it was heads up, but I am not so sure. Probably, more just a tough beat.

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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Maybe I should have come over the top pre-flop since it was heads up, but I am not so sure. Probably, more just a tough beat.


Or just a terribly played hand.

Please stop posting, I'm asking nice.
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Please stop posting, I'm asking nice.

JB
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Please stop posting, I'm asking nicely.

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He'll only stop once we just ignore him. Keep replying to his threads and it won't happen.

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This board is dead for the most part anyway, so why pay any attention at all?

Honestly, most aren't playing online anymore or at least not in any volume. On top of that it seems even live play is dwindling with growing families and reality setting in.

Give it up guys. You've had a nice run but it's dying a slow death.

I still play about 45 hours live a week and just spent the last 2 weeks in Vegas, mostly at the Red Rock and MGM, but no trip reports as I dont' keep notes. Online has slowed, but still play from time to time.

I'm hating making support payments now!!!

Chloe
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Author: SrGuapo | Date: 5/27/2009 2:07:54 PM | Number: 68792

Or just a terribly played hand.

Please stop posting, I'm asking nice.


Now that I am getting good enough to make some money you should feel I am not a hopeless waste of your keystrokes. Rather than stop posting, I would like to request advice on the hand. How do I avoid getting all in against a straight to TPTK on a rag board.

I thought a PSB on the flop was a check for that. Is it a bad read to put him on a paired straight draw given his stack.

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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Please, Jackie. The board is almost all about you and nobody is responding except to ask you to stop. You're not getting poker advice here. That's not going to change. Why would you want to be on a board where you're not welcome? Please go post your questions on a different poker board.


Frydaze1
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Author: Frydaze1 | Date: 5/27/2009 6:42:50 PM | Number: 68795

The board is almost all about you

Everyone must be enjoying reading about me so much, they choose not to ask any other questions. See my latest post about PokerTracker and comment over there.

You're not getting poker advice here.

You may have noticed that now that the Foolish experts have stopped giving me advice I am setting all kinds of personal bests. I just had a second streak of four consecutive cashes ending with my third cash today and last night I had my first top 5% finish on an MTT. Today, despite about a half dozen horrificly played hands, I had my best $.50 MTT percentile finish 294 of 1811 (83rd percentile). So it seems that venting on this board and only getting feedback from myself is helping me to play better poker than when I was getting advice from the likes of you a few weeks ago. I may sound to harsh. Push or fold has helped me in many situations and I concede both of my bustout hands in MTTs today were the result of not pushing my stack until someone was pot commmitted who wound up beating me.

Excuse me while I vent to myself about my bad plays tonight. I keep forgetting why you play 22-66. I forgot today that you play them not for their rank as a pair, but for their value the 3 in 25 times you flop a set. I limped and when it got minraised back to me the decision was still the same. Do you want to play a pair of 33 for the min bet. The answer is always yes if you have the chips and always no if you are short chips.

Second venting point for the day. AQo is worse than AKo, AKs and AQs all of which are probably negative EV bets in four-way all-ins. I can not figure out why I could not cut the cord on 650 chips that seemed like they were going to a heads up with s short stack calling for the pot when two big boys pushed for over a 1000 more. Look and learn. The following is why AQo is a terrible hand. Also, even when you can read that the other big stack does not have the top card, it does not mean you should continue to throw good money after bad. Three hands explain why I did not get rich today at $.50.

Hand 1 took me off of the top 30 leaderboard as follows:

PokerStars Game #28697479748: Tournament #165723716, $0.50+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/05/27 20:29:56 ET
Table '165723716 95' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: curtdouglas (11975 in chips)
Seat 2: bigworm71 (4409 in chips)
Seat 3: sheeri33 (7710 in chips)
Seat 4: mhudgens33 (680 in chips)
Seat 5: sam62526 (2475 in chips)
Seat 6: ingmat (2070 in chips)
Seat 7: ElT007 (7575 in chips)
Seat 8: steriman (785 in chips)
Seat 9: R.J. Peaden (1715 in chips)
ingmat: posts small blind 15
ElT007: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ElT007 [Ac Qh]
steriman: folds
R.J. Peaden: calls 30
curtdouglas: calls 30
bigworm71: calls 30
sheeri33: folds
mhudgens33: raises 650 to 680 and is all-in
sam62526: folds
ingmat: folds
ElT007: calls 650
R.J. Peaden: raises 1035 to 1715 and is all-in
curtdouglas: calls 1685
bigworm71: folds
ElT007: calls 1035
*** FLOP *** [Js 3d 8d]
ElT007: checks
curtdouglas: bets 720
ElT007: calls 720
*** TURN *** [Js 3d 8d] [Jh]
ElT007: bets 340
curtdouglas: calls 340
*** RIVER *** [Js 3d 8d Jh] [5d]
ElT007: checks
curtdouglas: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ElT007: shows [Ac Qh] (a pair of Jacks)
curtdouglas: shows [Qs 3s] (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
curtdouglas collected 2120 from side pot-2
R.J. Peaden: shows [Ah Ad] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
R.J. Peaden collected 3105 from side pot-1
mhudgens33: mucks hand
R.J. Peaden collected 2765 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7990 Main pot 2765. Side pot-1 3105. Side pot-2 2120. | Rake 0
Board [Js 3d 8d Jh 5d]
Seat 1: curtdouglas showed [Qs 3s] and won (2120) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 4: mhudgens33 mucked [Qd Qc]
Seat 7: ElT007 (big blind) showed [Ac Qh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 9: R.J. Peaden showed [Ah Ad] and won (5870) with two pair, Aces and Jacks

Hand 2 shows why Harrington says play small pairs for a min bet if you have the chips.

PokerStars Game #28698031987: Tournament #165723716, $0.50+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/05/27 20:47:40 ET
Table '165723716 95' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: curtdouglas (10720 in chips)
Seat 2: bigworm71 (8708 in chips)
Seat 3: sheeri33 (5916 in chips)
Seat 4: ms poper (2385 in chips)
Seat 5: sam62526 (2150 in chips)
Seat 6: DIAMOND D.Z. (1510 in chips)
Seat 7: ElT007 (4700 in chips)
Seat 8: steriman (2705 in chips)
Seat 9: R.J. Peaden (5520 in chips)
ms poper: posts small blind 50
sam62526: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ElT007 [3d 3s]
DIAMOND D.Z.: folds
ElT007: calls 100
steriman: folds
R.J. Peaden: folds
curtdouglas: raises 100 to 200
bigworm71: folds
sheeri33: calls 200
ms poper: folds
sam62526: calls 100
ElT007: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3c Kh]
sam62526: bets 100
curtdouglas: calls 100
sheeri33: calls 100
*** TURN *** [Qc 3c Kh] [4h]
sam62526: bets 300
curtdouglas: calls 300
sheeri33: folds
*** RIVER *** [Qc 3c Kh 4h] [2c]
sam62526: bets 600
curtdouglas: folds
Uncalled bet (600) returned to sam62526
sam62526 collected 1650 from pot
sam62526: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1650 | Rake 0
Board [Qc 3c Kh 4h 2c]
Seat 1: curtdouglas folded on the River
Seat 2: bigworm71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: sheeri33 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: ms poper (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: sam62526 (big blind) collected (1650)
Seat 6: DIAMOND D.Z. folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ElT007 folded before Flop
Seat 8: steriman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: R.J. Peaden folded before Flop (didn't bet)
"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC

Hand 3 shows that even the best played hands are subject to runner runner catastrophes.

PokerStars Game #28698729014: Tournament #165723716, $0.50+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/05/27 21:11:24 ET
Table '165723716 95' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: curtdouglas (23404 in chips)
Seat 2: plshrk2006p (1555 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: sheeri33 (8641 in chips)
Seat 4: ms poper (2180 in chips)
Seat 5: boonsay17 (885 in chips)
Seat 7: ElT007 (4300 in chips)
Seat 8: The Frog7 (8105 in chips)
Seat 9: R.J. Peaden (6470 in chips)
ElT007: posts small blind 75
The Frog7: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ElT007 [As Ah]
R.J. Peaden: folds
curtdouglas: folds
plshrk2006p: folds
sheeri33: raises 300 to 450
ms poper: folds
boonsay17: folds
ElT007: raises 300 to 750
The Frog7: folds
sheeri33: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [3c 2c 9s]
ElT007: checks
sheeri33: checks
*** TURN *** [3c 2c 9s] [8c]
WAN555 is connected
ElT007: bets 1000
sheeri33: calls 1000
*** RIVER *** [3c 2c 9s 8c] [Ac]
ElT007: bets 1000
sheeri33: raises 5891 to 6891 and is all-in
ElT007: folds
Uncalled bet (5891) returned to sheeri33
sheeri33 collected 5650 from pot
sheeri33: shows [5d 5s] (a pair of Fives)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5650 | Rake 0
Board [3c 2c 9s 8c Ac]
Seat 1: curtdouglas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: plshrk2006p folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: sheeri33 collected (5650)
Seat 4: ms poper folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: boonsay17 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ElT007 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 8: The Frog7 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: R.J. Peaden folded before Flop (didn't bet)

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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Author: JackieChanofChic | Date: 5/28/2009 1:30:58 AM | Number: 68798

Note to self and all my fans too busy replaying my hands to start their own threads: Obviously you have to think about playing a small pair that has been minraised back to you for the same reasons you dump a pair after the pot has been raised any more than one bet. You are at greater risk of puking chips to being overpaired on your set if you it play any raised pot because the more the pot is raised the more likely you are playing against pairs. I may have to go back and find this section in HoH and see if you are really suppose to play a pair minraised back to you. I think if you are last to act in such a minraise without risk of further raises the answer is yes, but I have to check. Obviously knowing the players you are playing with would come into effect if you were not last to act.

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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This board is dead for the most part anyway, so why pay any attention at all?

Interesting question. There are a dozen posters here that have each had some posts out of the almost 70k that make it worthwhile.

So, I guess it is just another case of EV+, but high variance. Always hopeful of that next cool post will show up.

Give it up guys. You've had a nice run but it's dying a slow death.

It is much harder to build/grow things than to destroy or let rot.

JCoC is the uber-example. Huge, huge, huge work required to explain something to him in a way that he understands and would benefit from. Also, even with a lot of work he might not get it. Much easier to just insult him.
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If JCoC actually had an interest in learning from the input of people here then the reception would be much better. Instead, polluting this board is just a form of masturbation for him.

and this board sucks huge right now, either it is people beating their head against Jackie or people talking about him. silence would be much better.
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If JCoC actually had an interest in learning from the input of people here then the reception would be much better.

I don't think that is it or at least I suspect that isn't it. I mean that I think he has an interest in learning. I just think this format and/or style of teaching him isn't effective...or it isn't as effective as people would like.
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I don't think that is it or at least I suspect that isn't it. I mean that I think he has an interest in learning. I just think this format and/or style of teaching him isn't effective...or it isn't as effective as people would like.

This would mean you either don't understand the definition of the word "troll," or that you are one. I tend to think the former, because patch is very clearly correct.

Prior to your arrival on this board, JCoC infected this board once before...
http://boards.fool.com/Messages.asp?bid=116330&mid=24438...
People begged and pleaded with him to stop. That was only after initially attempting to help him learn, of course, until realizing what he in fact was. After they saw the begging and pleading not working, they stopped caring, subsequently stopped responding to anything he wrote, and he got bored and moved on.

He's pretty much the very definition of the word "troll." Look it up in a dictionary and it's probably got a picture of him.

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I think he has an interest in learning

then you weren't here the last time he came through.

JCOC's style is as if I had gone to the Maintaining a Car board with the following:

my oil is all black, what should I do?

Car Expert #1: umm ... have you tried changing the oil?

no, I don't think there's anything wrong with the oil, I think it's my carburetor, I demand that someone tell me how to fix my carburetor

Car Expert #s 2-5: you can't know that you have carburetor problems until you change your oil

I know it's not my oil, I got my greazy fingerprints all over a car book at Borders and I'm sure I saw something about carburetors

Car Expert #6: have you read any auto maintenance books?

just what I've read when I'm in Borders on free coffee day. I refuse to actually spend money on any books

Car Expert #3: well I'm sure that anything you read about automobiles is going to recommend an oil change first. You really should buy a book, Ed Miller's Small Stakes Auto Maintenance is a great place to start. Read that and then come back with questions.

Car Expert #4: when was the last time you changed your oil

I've had the car for four years. Oil should last longer than that. I have cooking oil that is more than six years old and it's just fine.

Car Expert #2: I feel a little dumber now.

Car Expert #1: look, we can't help you unless you are willing to either educate yourself or listen to our basic advice.

I don't need advice, I need to know how to fix my carburetor.

etc.
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POTY


Frydaze1

(I admit, it's one of the best posts I've read here in weeks)
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Ed Miller's Small Stakes Auto Maintenance is a great place to start.

I read that book. Didn't tell me a goddamned thing about how to fix a carburetor...

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Posts like these are why I waste my time here.
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30 recs? I didn't think we had 30 people still reading. How many accounts does Guapo have?
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I think he has an interest in learning

then you weren't here the last time he came through.


I've read 100% of the messages on this board starting at post #1. Of course, that isn't the same as reading and replying to the posts in real time.

While your piece was very funny, what I was saying is...

I think JCoC enjoys posting and is INTERESTED in learning.

I also think JCoC is annoying and is TERRIBLE at learning (at least via posting to this board, which makes him more annoying).

To stay with your theme. This is Car Idiot #1 telling the Car Experts #1-37, I know that trying to teach JCoC via the message board isn't effective. However, are you aware that ignoring him is only a temporary fix? I guarantee that even if everyone ignores him and he goes away, he will be back in 6-24 months and the cycle will repeat.

I don't have a good real fix, unless someone has a way to convince him that there is another way for him to learn and another way to get the enjoyment he does from posting.

justpatrick
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However, are you aware that ignoring him is only a temporary fix? I guarantee that even if everyone ignores him and he goes away, he will be back in 6-24 months and the cycle will repeat.

6 - 24 months of peace sounds good to me.


Frydaze1
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"I didn't think we had 30 people still reading"

I guess there's a few other lurkers like me. I play poker maybe 5 times a year, almost always in Atlantic City, and always low-limit LHE. So I don't have much to contribute by way of hand analysis or strategy discussions, but I enjoy immensely reading the resident experts' opinions on NLHE and, lately, SB. Keep it up!
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Posts like these are why I waste my time here.
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Author: patchdodd | Date: 5/28/2009 11:56:08 AM | Number: 68833

If JCoC actually had an interest in learning from the input of people here then the reception would be much better. Instead, polluting this board is just a form of masturbation for him.

Yes I have an interest in learning how to play poker profitably. In fact, I have now played my account up to over $8 profit at my $.25 and $.50 cent games. I would like to get advice on the play of particular hands. However, there are subtle situations where push/fold is not the best play and I get sick of push fold advice. For example, this morning I finished 4th of 45, but the guy who put me out and finished in 3rd was a guy who I let take a hand by not droping a min bet on the flop as follows:

PokerStars Game #28790331261: Tournament #167828883, $0.25+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/05/30 11:43:08 ET
Table '167828883 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: GuyFranklin (10170 in chips)
Seat 3: ElT007 (9545 in chips)
Seat 6: Resie69 (5351 in chips)
Seat 7: rodrigo99999 (3615 in chips)
Seat 9: mirgiglio (6100 in chips)
GuyFranklin: posts the ante 25
ElT007: posts the ante 25
Resie69: posts the ante 25
rodrigo99999: posts the ante 25
mirgiglio: posts the ante 25
ElT007: posts small blind 200
Resie69: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ElT007 [6s Ad]
rodrigo99999: folds
mirgiglio: folds
GuyFranklin: folds
ElT007: raises 600 to 1000
Resie69: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Jc 7c Qd]
ElT007: checks
Resie69: checks
*** TURN *** [Jc 7c Qd] [4s]
ElT007: bets 400
Resie69: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [Jc 7c Qd 4s] [Js]
ElT007: checks
Resie69: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ElT007: shows [6s Ad] (a pair of Jacks)
Resie69: shows [4c 6h] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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Author: psua$$kicker6 | Date: 5/28/2009 1:15:41 PM | Number: 68834

Prior to your arrival on this board, JCoC infected this board once before...

I just posted my opinions in a thread. I still think straight five card draw (possibly with 54 cards and joker's wild or with dueces wild) would be a good game for the WSOP. It is the old school game.

until realizing what he in fact was

Or rather what you have labeled me to be (a troll) when in truth I am the man who will take your bankroll while beating you like a red-headed stepchild.

When I first played in 2005, I stayed on the play money table for six months before moving to the real money game and playing profitably at the $5 buyin events. I hope it does not take me six months to get back in the game, but I am slowly coming around.

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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Author: patchdodd | Date: 5/28/2009 2:15:37 PM | Number: 68835

JCOC's style is as if I had gone to the Maintaining a Car board with the following:

All in all, quite a humerous post. I am flattered that you dedicated all that time to a humor routine about me. It is far better than the usual circle jerk stuff about p-boxing me or the insistence that no one is reading me. Obviously, not much truth to the routine, but funny nonetheless.

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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Author: justpatrick | Date: 5/29/2009 12:42:53 PM | Number: 68836

I also think JCoC is annoying and is TERRIBLE at learning (at least via posting to this board, which makes him more annoying).

I am really just bad at implementing new strategies.

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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When I say "Obviously, not much truth to the routine, but funny nonetheless." I mean there are few people who would believe that I would ever pay to repair a carburetor, when I would not pay to buy the Ed Miller book.

"Have nunchucks. Will travel."-JCoC
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