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plan to convert 20-30k into a Roth account this year from my 401k with little tax or penalty hit.

How do you achieve that?

For a family of 4 the first ~$28,800 is taxed at 0% by the federal government. So yes, a very low tax bracket now that we are "retired" at the moment.

Then there is the $2,000 child tax credit to help cover some amount of earned income as well. etc...

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