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A couple of my female classmates were joking (really) that the world would be just fine without men in it. "Just leave us your semen so we can reproduce"

I said that would be fine, but we would be taking geometry, calculus, vaccines, powered flight, anesthesia, and most of the Nobel prizes with us.
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Welcome to our world. ;)

But yes, stereotypes cut both ways - so you have people thinking male nurses and female mechanics are both "unusual".

impolite
but frankly, I wouldn't be troubled to see calculus go....
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That is hilarious. Anyone who believes that a world full of women would be a peaceful utopia has never worked in an office with more than 3 of them at a time.
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My wife is a legal secretary. She's been with the same firm for more than 20 years. On a couple occasions, she has been offered the position of office manager. It would mean about a 20% increase in pay and an extra week of paid vacation.

I don't think she'd do it for a 100% increase and a month of vacation.
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That is hilarious. Anyone who believes that a world full of women would be a peaceful utopia has never worked in an office with more than 3 of them at a time.

Wymyn's is beyotches.

Having traveled to more than my share of sites that are all men, however: at least we aren't nearly as filthy in groups.

impolite
the toilet, has it never seen a brush?
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I said that would be fine, but we would be taking geometry, calculus, vaccines, powered flight, anesthesia, and most of the Nobel prizes with us.

I know you are just being cute, but I just have to point out that calculus was invented during a time when women were at least de facto and often de jure prevented from doing math. If Newton and Leibniz had not invented calculus, Emmy Noether would have certainly done it two hundrend years later.

Emmy Noether was to abstract algebra what Newton was to Calculus, she took an emerging and scattered field and codified it into an important and powerful branch of mathematics.

Wally
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Sure. You're absolutely right.

And, as firstlock might say to owlboy, if owlboy were a girl, "She started it."
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Sure. You're absolutely right.

It's abought time someone realized that. I knew you were just joking, but I have a love of the history of mathematics and very few chances to expound on it.

And, as firstlock might say to owlboy, if owlboy were a girl, "She started it."

FirstLock has said words to the effect. "It all started when he hit me back."

Wally
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I'm sure you're familiar with this most fascinating tale.

http://www.archimedespalimpsest.org/
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I'm sure you're familiar with this most fascinating tale.

Indeed.

http://boards.fool.com/eight-hundred-years-ago-a-religious-w...
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Glad you got there before I did, Wally.

A lot of Noether's work was published under male colleagues' and students' names, but almost anyone who was a contemporary of hers remarks that they would not have been able to do the work they did without her.

And then, of course, there's Hypatia. )

Ishtar
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the toilet, has it never seen a brush?

That's because there are no women around to use it.
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I know you are just being cute, but I just have to point out that calculus was invented during a time when women were at least de facto and often de jure prevented from doing math.


They've had a lot of time to catch up.

Stephen Hawking is male. Your argument is invalid.
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the toilet, has it never seen a brush?

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That's because there are no women around to use it.

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The bigger issue is, how do the sandwiches there ever get made?
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They've had a lot of time to catch up.

Actually they haven't. Men had the mathematical stage for about 3,000 years. Women started to be let in the past 200, made moderate progress for the next 170 years and are just now being able to get an equal footing.


Stephen Hawking is male. Your argument is invalid.


My argument is that absent men (specifically Newton and Leibniz) we would still have calculus. That may be debatable, but I personally have little reason to doubt that Emmy Noether could do for calculus what she did for abstract algebra. Moreover, the existence of Stephen Hawking is irrelevant to that argument.

Whether or not we would be as likely to see a super-mathematical genius out of the female side of the gene pool as out of the male side if they had equal access to training and education is an interesting question, and one that I have no idea about.

I also have no idea about the depth or breadth of Stephen Hawking's work so I will set him aside. If we were to rank mathematicians we would start with Guass (and Archimedes if we let ourselves go back that far). After Gauss we would have a good argument for second place and Newton and Noether would be in that argument. Newton is more famous, but that is because a lot of people take Calculus in high-school and few people ever take abstract algebra.

Wally
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Speaking of both "sexism in nursing" and "toilets" ... the hospital I worked at was taken over by a larger medical center in 1998. When the next "Nurse's Week" came around, the Department of Nursing gave out, to each nurse, small atomizers of

"eau de toilette"

Not only were they sexist, they were cheap, too. I've kept mine on my desk at work all these years. It helps me keep a fire in the belly.

Jack RN
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Your disregarding the fat tail IQ distributions of geniuses (and idiots) in males.

E.g., recent article about Harvard Law School:

The Law School Admission Test–for which this columnist has sat, although we never applied to any law school–is a test of abstract reasoning skills, essentially an IQ test. “Most psychometricians conclude that men and women have the same mean IQ,” as Charles Murray noted in a 2005 Commentary article. But “men consistently exhibit higher variance . . . meaning that there are proportionally more men than women at both ends of the bell curve.”

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2...
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Your disregarding the fat tail IQ distributions of geniuses (and idiots) in males.

You're disregarding.

You're. You. Are.

MOI
<spelling nazi>
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Doh . . . err, D'oh . . . Do'h . . . never mind.
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Emmy Noether for the win!

She's awesome.

And I would really, really miss calculus...


--Booa (doesn't want a world of only men or only women, both have pluses and minuses)
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Euclid! The fifth postulate! He knew there were non-Euclidean geometries before the New Testament got written!

Sorry! I get very excited about Euclid! Even though he probably wouldn't deign to talk to me because of my girl parts!


--Booa (Euclid!)
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Still saying Hypatia here. . . (ok, she's not nearly as old as Euclid, Archimedes or the Pythagorean sect, but still, she's not modern, either).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia


Ishtar
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My niece is named Hypatia. It was the weirdest name that my sister-in-law would allow.

My brother wanted to name her @~

Leana
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One of my friends gave his son "Calculus" as a middle name.
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One of my friends gave his son "Calculus" as a middle name.

The kid should grow up to be a dentist.

Patzer
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I joked with both of my wives that I wanted to have two children named Kennebunkport and Saskatchewan. We would call them Ken and Juan.

Amazing that no one was ever willing to bear my children.
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Amazing that no one was ever willing to bear my children.

T still swears I wanted to name Leroy Jethro "Sacagawea".

impolite
TECUMSEH, dammit
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TECUMSEH, dammit

That would have been the best name ever.
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My niece is named Hypatia. It was the weirdest name that my sister-in-law would allow.

I'm pretty sure it is also an 80's porn name.

Just sayin.
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That would have been the best name ever.

I KNOW. I still mourn a little for it.

impolite
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I KNOW. I still mourn a little for it.


If it's any consolation, we named our dog General William Tecumseh Sherman.
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