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I've been waiting a long time for some solar stocks to get back to prices that offered a little better value. I got a great fill on xsnx a couple of days ago. SPWR is finally starting to look attractive. If SOEN would fall just a little further I'd be in. I have traded in and out of ESLR -- I'm thinking it might be time to get back in. I've been in STP and DSTI for a while but might add more if those go much lower. Silicon provider WFR is also looking pretty tasty.
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You might want to avoid XSNX unless you only hope to profit by trading it.

It has all the major features of a scam. (Not that the technology isn't there, just that it isn't practical nor at a reasonable price point, IOW "It does not make sense").

By far the most promising solar producers are those that are privately held and produce flexible solar film by a deposition process similar to how inkjets work. Unfortunately, if they are as successful and begin producing these commercially, they will make short work of Silicon-based manufacturers as they have much lower materials and manufacturing costs.

http://www.nanosolar.com/

"Nanosolar has a thin-film technology that it claims is 10 times as efficient as traditional cells, and a printing-based manufacturing technique that it says will bring the price down to less than a dollar per watt, competitive with natural gas and peak electricity prices (see 10 Cleantech Companies to Watch: Nanosolar)."

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=18186&hed=Thin+Film+Solar+To+Go+Large&sector=Industries&subsector=Energy

For reference, here's what current costs/KW solar are (this is the raw generating price, ie what you pay per watt of prime/peak solar generating capacity, minus controllers, invertors, batteries, etc.).

http://www.solarbuzz.com/Moduleprices.htm

http://www.solarbuzz.com/Technologies.htm

Interesting Quote on the actual potential of solar energy:

"At solar noon on a clear March or September equinox day, the solar radiation at the equator is about 1000 W/m2. Hence, the "standard" solar radiation (known as the "air mass 1.5 spectrum") has a power density of 1000 watts per square meter. Thus, a 12% efficiency solar cell having 1 m² of surface area in full sunlight at solar noon at the equator during either the March or September equinox will produce approximately 120 watts of peak power."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cell


I've seen a quote that stated that the amount of solar energy falling on the earth in 30 days is the equivalent of all the world's known or proven hydrocarbon reserves.
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You might want to avoid XSNX unless you only hope to profit by trading it.

It has all the major features of a scam. (Not that the technology isn't there, just that it isn't practical nor at a reasonable price point, IOW "It does not make sense").


What are some of these features?
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I have to sort of agree with Ubernerd. XSNX has been around for 7 years. They underwent a rather strange name change from Sun River Mining Co. to XSUNX in 2003. Their stock has traded as high as $40 near the time of the IPO to as low as 8 cents in early 2005. They continue to issue shares to raise cash and insiders promply dump their shares everytime the stock has risen. I've posted the insider transactions just for 2006 below - an incredible number of transactions - nearly all sales/planned sales. Supposedly they have a patented process "Power Glass" and have built a huge plant to manufacture the product but they won't allow any tours of the operation. I bought a few hundred shares when they hit 50 cents for a trade, but I am skeptical that they are for real. There are a number of alt energy companies whose financials lead me to believe they are designed more to enrich insiders than to ever really make a profit - a big name I put in that same category is HYGS and I'm not too sure about FCEL.

Here's the most recent news with some info on their technology and the list of insider transaction for 2006 below.

Monday, August 28, 2006
XsunX Looks to Tap Into U.S. Government's Solar America Initiative

President's Advanced Energy Initiative Proposes $148 Million Solar America Initiative


http://www.renewableenergystocks.com/Companies/ViewDocument.asp?ID=4641
ALISO VIEJO, Calif., Aug. 28, 2006 - XsunX, Inc. (OTCBB: XSNX.OB), provider of technologies for solar energy infrastructure and developer of Power Glass(tm), an innovative thin-film solar technology that is intended to allow glass windows to produce electricity from the power of the sun, today announced that letters of intent submitted in July for project funding opportunities under the President's Advanced Energy Initiative have been cleared for formal grant submittal under the Technology Pathway Partnerships Phase 1 program to promote the commercialization of emerging technologies in thin film photovoltaics, manufacture, and systems integration.

As part of an increasing objective of the U.S. government to wean the country's dependence on foreign energy sources, the President's Advanced Energy Initiative and its 2007 Budget propose a new $148 million Solar America Initiative (SAI) -- an increase of $65 million over the FY06 budget. The purpose of the Solar America Initiative is to accelerate the development of advanced solar electric technologies, with the goal of making them cost-competitive with other forms of renewable electricity by 2015.

"What's exciting about this opportunity for XsunX is that the government's program can fund half a project's cost up to $20 million dollars and is looking to create vertically integrated groups of technology partners to come together and provide innovative new ways to apply the solar energy opportunity to our environments," stated Joseph Grimes, XsunX's COO. ``This has been the focus of our business in the development of building integrated photovoltaics or 'BIPV' applications with partners from other industries such as the glass and glazing industries. Our Company has already made significant strides in developing manufacturing methods and proprietary thin film solar cell designs for converting the large areas of modern high rise glass facades into energy saving, power producing structures. We hope that these efforts may now assist our government in its effort to establish renewable energy sources for the future,' concluded Grimes.

The Solar America Initiative, managed by the U.S. Department of Energy Solar Energy Technology Program (SETP), has established goals to develop partnerships and strategic alliances with industry participants, universities, Federal and state government, and other non-governmental agencies. The two primary areas of focus of the SAI are to develop Technology Pathway Partnerships for research and development on PV component and system designs, including low-cost approaches for manufacturing; and Technology Acceptance activities that address marketplace barriers and offer the opportunity for market expansion.

Patented Technology
http://www.xsunx.com/tech-power.htm
XsunX Begins Assembly and Installation of Hybrid Systems at New Golden Facility
http://www.xsunx.com/news60.htm
Company Looks to Expand Facilities

ALISO VIEJO, Calif., July 11, 2006 — XsunX, Inc. (OTCBB: XSNX), provider of technologies for solar energy infrastructure and developer of Power Glass™, an innovative thin-film solar technology that is intended to allow glass windows to produce electricity from the power of the sun, today announced that improvements to the Company's new Golden Colorado facilities were completed on schedule earlier this month and that the Company has begun the installation of its patented hybrid reel-to-reel manufacturing system.

Originally designed to provide XsunX with turnkey product marketing and development infrastructure, the Company is now looking to expand the facilities to accommodate additional future system assembly, testing, and shipping capabilities. “Based on the response to our marketing efforts and the growth in demand for thin film technologies, we felt that it may be prudent to exercise an opportunity to expand our facilities now by an additional nine thousand square feet allowing us to operate for an extended period without the disruption associated with relocation,” commented Tom Djokovich, XsunX's CEO.

The Company has also received a large number of inquires asking for tours of its new facilities in Golden Colorado. “Unfortunately, catering to these requests would be very disruptive to our current efforts to complete the installation of equipment and facilities,” stated Tom Djokovich. “We hope to be able to accommodate limited tours upon completion later this year,” concluded Djokovich.

The XsunX manufacturing system is based upon a patented hybrid design combining the scalability of reel-to-reel processing and the use of flexible rolled substrates with the exacting capabilities of cluster tool vacuum deposition systems. These systems can be configured to produce several types of thin film solar cells, such as single junction opaque cells, tandem junction micromorph type cells, and the Company's proprietary cell designs that include Power Glass films and a new 4-terminal cell that the Company hopes to begin marketing next year as a replacement to more costly silicon wafer technologies


INSIDER & RULE 144 TRANSACTIONS REPORTED - LAST TWO YEARS
Date Insider Shares Type Transaction Value*
15-Aug-06 DENBOW, NICHELAS
2,250 Direct Planned Sale $1,6201
1-Aug-06 SPOONCER, DORTHY V.
75,000 Direct Planned Sale $45,7501
31-Jul-06 ECON INVESTOR RELATIONS INC.
49,231 Direct Planned Sale $35,2001
6-Jul-06 WILLIAMS, DAVID CHRISTOPHER
25,000 Direct Planned Sale $25,5001
6-Jul-06 RAMSAY, WILLIAM T.
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $15,3001
6-Jul-06 COLELLA, DAWN ELIZABETH
30,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,9001
5-Jul-06 FORD, ANDREW
38,000 Direct Planned Sale $39,1401
30-Jun-06 JOHNSTONE, MILES
10,000 Direct Planned Sale $11,2001
21-Jun-06 HOLT, CHRISTOPHER
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $25,0001
20-Jun-06 JOHNSTONE, MILES
10,000 Direct Planned Sale $11,9001
15-Jun-06 TAYLOR, DIANNE D.
16,130 Direct Planned Sale $17,0001
15-Jun-06 VENNER, DENZIL ROY
37,000 Direct Planned Sale $48,0001
1-Jun-06 BARNES, STUART MICHAEL CHARLES
24,945 Direct Planned Sale $31,9371
31-May-06 TAYLOR, JOHN
25,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,0001
31-May-06 HUSSAIN, M.Z (MR AND MRS)
11,000 Direct Planned Sale $20,0001
31-May-06 POWELL, ANTHONY J
11,000 Direct Planned Sale $12,0001
31-May-06 DAVIES, CHARLOTTE JANE TIPPET
18,500 Direct Planned Sale $19,4251
24-May-06 ROBERTS, BRIAN
36,480 Direct Planned Sale $58,0031
24-May-06 BRADSHAW, HENRY A.
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,0001
9-May-06 INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING CORP
Shareholder 125,000 Direct Planned Sale $172,5001
1-May-06 SPENCE, ISABEL
36,500 Direct Planned Sale $72,0001
30-Apr-06 CZYZYK, MICHAEL ROBERT
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,0001
30-Apr-06 MOSS, ERNEST & JOAN JOSEPHINE
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $125,0001
30-Apr-06 STREATER, MICHAEL NYE
37,000 Direct Planned Sale $90,3001
30-Apr-06 ALTOUNIAN, BRIAN
Director 50,000 Indirect Disposition (Non Open Market) at $0.10 per share. $5,000
30-Apr-06 ALTOUNIAN, BRIAN
Director 350,000 Direct Disposition (Non Open Market) at $0.10 per share. $35,000
28-Apr-06 FIELDING, JEAN JOSEPH BERNARD
12,000 Direct Planned Sale $24,0001
28-Apr-06 CHEESEMAN, GAVIN
9,000 Direct Planned Sale $18,0001
27-Apr-06 GODDARD, JAMES
19,000 Direct Planned Sale $47,5001
27-Apr-06 ALTOUNIAN, BRIAN
Director 474,000 Direct Private Sale at $1.785 per share. $846,090
24-Apr-06 POLEY, DAVID
Shareholder 15,000 Direct Planned Sale $31,3501
24-Apr-06 SOFT, ALLAN JOHN
12,500 Direct Planned Sale $25,0001
24-Apr-06 ATKINSON, MILES W.
23,000 Direct Planned Sale $46,0001
24-Apr-06 BELL, MICHAEL
5,000 Direct Planned Sale $10,0001
24-Apr-06 ALLAN, KENNETH G.
30,000 Direct Planned Sale $54,0001
20-Apr-06 LANGRICK, SIMON ANTHONY
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $32,0001
20-Apr-06 JONES, DAVID L.
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $100,0001
20-Apr-06 WOOD, PETER THOMAS
12,000 Direct Planned Sale $22,8001
17-Apr-06 ATTOUNIAN, BRIAN
Director 474,000 Direct Planned Sale $940,0001
17-Apr-06 ALTOUNIAN, BRIAN
Director 500,000 Direct Private Sale at $2.03 per share. $1,014,999
15-Apr-06 CAMERON, KATHLEEN MARGARET
17,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,0001
15-Apr-06 GLOVER, JOHN
75,000 Direct Planned Sale $168,0001
12-Apr-06 CRAHAM, ALEXANDER M.
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $46,0001
8-Apr-06 KAY, JACQUELINE
17,000 Direct Planned Sale $40,0001
5-Apr-06 CRYER, GRAHAM
35,000 Direct Planned Sale $75,0001
5-Apr-06 MARCH, KENNETH
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $33,0001
5-Apr-06 GEUDALL, KENNETH
11,000 Direct Planned Sale $28,0001
5-Apr-06 MULLANEY, GEORGE
12,000 Direct Planned Sale $28,0001
5-Apr-06 SEDDON, ALECK R.
3,500 Direct Planned Sale $10,0001
5-Apr-06 COTTON, JOHN W.
10,000 Direct Planned Sale $23,0001
4-Apr-06 SWARBRICK, CHRISTINE
36,500 Direct Planned Sale $80,0001
1-Apr-06 ALLEN, RICHARD JOHN
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $100,0001
31-Mar-06 WILLCOX, HUGH NICHOLAS ANSON
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $100,0001
31-Mar-06 KNIGHT, TREVOR
150,000 Direct Planned Sale $166,5001
30-Mar-06 ALTOUNIAN, BRIAN
Director 500,000 Direct Planned Sale $1,115,0001
30-Mar-06 PACKER, TIMOTHY
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $78,5001
29-Mar-06 SIMS, ALAN
25,000 Direct Planned Sale $60,2501
28-Mar-06 LING, GRAHAM
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $27,0001
24-Mar-06 VEALE, ROBERT
5,500 Direct Planned Sale $13,7501
24-Mar-06 MULLEN, THAMOS GERALD
4,000 Direct Planned Sale $10,0001
24-Mar-06 MULLEN, THAMOS GERALD
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,5001
24-Mar-06 PURSER, MEE FONG.
56,000 Direct Planned Sale $140,0001
24-Mar-06 SIMPSON, STEVE
124,000 Direct Planned Sale $317,5001
24-Mar-06 SHAN, NIMISH & DEBORAH
45,000 Direct Planned Sale $97,6501
24-Mar-06 JONES, GLYN LEWIS
6,000 Direct Planned Sale $15,0001
24-Mar-06 VANNER, BETTY
5,000 Direct Planned Sale $10,0001
24-Mar-06 SHORT, GORDON
14,500 Direct Planned Sale $40,0001
24-Mar-06 WEBSTER, MALCOLM
17,500 Direct Planned Sale $47,2501
24-Mar-06 SHAH, MIRAN
30,000 Direct Planned Sale $66,0001
24-Mar-06 RUTTEMAN, PAUL
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $50,0001
24-Mar-06 MILLER, STANLEY E.
10,000 Direct Planned Sale $29,0001
24-Mar-06 HAN, DMARMASH CHO.
16,000 Direct Planned Sale $44,0001
24-Mar-06 VANNER, DAVID REGINALD
12,000 Direct Planned Sale $26,0001
23-Mar-06 GREGORY, MICHAEL JOHN
10,000 Direct Planned Sale $18,0001
22-Mar-06 DAWSON, ALFRED LEOPALD
5,000 Direct Planned Sale $11,6871
20-Mar-06 BRENNAN, JOHN
8,000 Direct Planned Sale $18,1601
20-Mar-06 RAFIQUE, FARAKH
25,000 Direct Planned Sale $56,7501
20-Mar-06 DAVIS, GEOFFREY WILLIAM
35,000 Direct Planned Sale $77,3001
20-Mar-06 BRUER, WILLIAM WILSON
12,500 Direct Planned Sale $29,7501
20-Mar-06 ADAMS, RICHARD
22,500 Direct Planned Sale $45,0001
20-Mar-06 HALLAM, EDWIN & JOAN
6,780 Direct Planned Sale $13,5601
20-Mar-06 HALLAM, EDWIN & JOAN
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,0001
20-Mar-06 LEGG, SIMON
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $40,0001
20-Mar-06 THOELKE, REINER
107,500 Direct Planned Sale $173,5001
20-Mar-06 FAULKNER, GEOFFREY
5,000 Direct Planned Sale $8,7501
20-Mar-06 JEANES, CLIVE
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,0001
20-Mar-06 STRACHAN, DAVID
10,000 Direct Planned Sale $20,0001
20-Mar-06 WHYTE, JOHN W.
38,000 Direct Planned Sale $53,6501
20-Mar-06 DORIA, RAMESH P.
30,000 Direct Planned Sale $55,5001
20-Mar-06 CLARK, PAUL R.
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $43,4001
20-Mar-06 LEES, RAYMOND
30,000 Direct Planned Sale $69,0001
20-Mar-06 SANDERSON, TREVOR / SANDERSON, B.M
17,000 Direct Planned Sale $29,2401
20-Mar-06 BEDDOE, MICHAEL
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $25,8001
20-Mar-06 MAHONEY, PETER
80,000 Direct Planned Sale $137,6001
20-Mar-06 OATS, WILLIAM JEFFREY
17,000 Direct Planned Sale $34,0001
17-Mar-06 CONN, WILLIAM
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $36,1501
16-Mar-06 VINER, MARK J.
6,500 Direct Planned Sale $15,0001
16-Mar-06 VINER, MARK J.
10,000 Direct Planned Sale $21,5001
16-Mar-06 HOLLAND, RUSSELL JACKSON
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $100,0001
13-Mar-06 MELHUISH, KENNETH
8,100 Direct Planned Sale $14,8001
13-Mar-06 PATTON, ANDREW W.
12,000 Direct Planned Sale $22,9201
13-Mar-06 PATRICK, EDGAR, GODLEY, STEDORAY
2,500 Direct Planned Sale $4,7751
10-Mar-06 VALI, I. & S.
25,000 Direct Planned Sale $35,7501
10-Mar-06 HERBERT, RICHARD D.
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $72,0001
10-Mar-06 IRBY, CHARLES L.
45,000 Direct Planned Sale $83,2001
10-Mar-06 DE SOUZA, CHRISTOPHER
82,500 Direct Planned Sale $146,4371
10-Mar-06 JOHNSTON, JAMES
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,7501
7-Mar-06 LABLE, GEORGE
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $23,7001
3-Mar-06 SEEGER, BARRY
9,000 Direct Planned Sale $13,7701
3-Mar-06 WITHERS, JOHN GEOFFREY
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $62,5001
3-Mar-06 GOODFELLOW, A.T. & M.J.
100,000 Direct Planned Sale $27,5401
3-Mar-06 TILLEY, GEOFFREY ROY
10,000 Direct Planned Sale $12,5001
2-Mar-06 BLUNDELL, KENNETH
30,000 Direct Planned Sale $33,3001
2-Mar-06 MITCHELL, JOHN
35,000 Direct Planned Sale $53,2001
1-Mar-06 JONES, EDWARD W.
18,182 Direct Planned Sale $27,2731
1-Mar-06 FORD, DESMOND JOSEPH
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,4001
1-Mar-06 BEWER, RICHARD
36,500 Direct Planned Sale $46,7201
1-Mar-06 JONES, KENNETH
18,182 Direct Planned Sale $27,2731
1-Mar-06 BRIDGE, DAVID ANTHONY
120,000 Direct Planned Sale $180,0001
28-Feb-06 EDWARDS, JANE & BURGES, ADAM
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $56,0001
28-Feb-06 BENSON, MARK
13,500 Direct Planned Sale $18,9001
28-Feb-06 JOHNSON, JOHN
300,000 Direct Planned Sale $450,0001
28-Feb-06 JANE EDWARDS & ADAM BURGES
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $56,0001
25-Feb-06 TOMKINSON, DAVID
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $50,0001
25-Feb-06 DUMBRILL, STEPHEN R.
36,500 Direct Planned Sale $51,0001
25-Feb-06 SHAH, KAPURCHAND
200,000 Direct Planned Sale $158,0001
24-Feb-06 ALLEN, DANIEL STEPHAN
9,050 Direct Planned Sale $16,1091
23-Feb-06 MCGUIGAN, CHARLES
170,000 Direct Planned Sale $212,5001
20-Feb-06 WALSH, CHARLES NIGEL & JEAN
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $50,8001
20-Feb-06 WALSH, CHARLES NIGEL & JEAN
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $63,5001
20-Feb-06 WALSH, CHARLES NIGEL & JEAN
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $50,8001
15-Feb-06 BEASLEY, SUSAN JOYCE
13,000 Direct Planned Sale $17,0001
15-Feb-06 PARKER, TIMOTHY
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $78,5001
15-Feb-06 FOWIE, KEITH GEORGE
28,500 Direct Planned Sale $23,0001
15-Feb-06 HENBURY, ROBERT DUNCAN
30,000 Direct Planned Sale $45,0001
15-Feb-06 BAKER, JOHN R.
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $30,0001
14-Feb-06 MILNE, RONALD G.
25,000 Direct Planned Sale $38,0001
14-Feb-06 LANE, GEOFF
100,000 Direct Planned Sale $134,0001
14-Feb-06 SMITH, NATHANIEL G
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $68,0001
14-Feb-06 LANE, GEOFF
100,000 Direct Planned Sale $134,0001
13-Feb-06 KELSEY, JOHN E.
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $20,1001
10-Feb-06 BROWN, MARGARET ANNE
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $31,4001
10-Feb-06 TEMA TRADING PIL
Shareholder 12,235 Direct Planned Sale $1,8351
10-Feb-06 FITCH, RUDOLPH HENRY
30,000 Direct Planned Sale $43,5001
9-Feb-06 BAKER, JOHN
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $65,0001

5-Feb-06 OFFICE RADIO NETWORK
300,000 Direct Planned Sale $360,0001
5-Feb-06 TURNER, MICHAEL J.
29,000 Direct Planned Sale $41,1001
1-Feb-06 JACOBS, STEPHEN
35,000 Direct Planned Sale $43,7501
31-Jan-06 HIGGINSON, ALLEN
8,000 Direct Planned Sale $10,0001
31-Jan-06 BARKER, RICHARD ALAN
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $26,0001
31-Jan-06 ALTOUNIAN, BRIAN
Director 300,000 Direct Sale at $1.35 per share. $405,000
30-Jan-06 PARKIN, JEREMY
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $26,0001
27-Jan-06 ALTOUNIAN, BRIAN
Director 300,000 Direct Planned Sale $375,0001
25-Jan-06 WALDEN, BRIAN
100,000 Direct Planned Sale $55,0001
25-Jan-06 MCPHERSON, JOHN STEVENS
20,000 Direct Planned Sale $7,0001
25-Jan-06 WALDEN, BRIAN
100,000 Direct Planned Sale $55,0001
24-Jan-06 TALBOT, MICHAEL JOHN
100,000 Direct Planned Sale $130,0001
24-Jan-06 BLAKEMORE, ANDREW
40,000 Direct Planned Sale $52,0001
23-Jan-06 HAMPTON, MICHAEL JOHN
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $19,0001
20-Jan-06 PHILLIPS, ANDREW J.
15,000 Direct Planned Sale $21,0001
20-Jan-06 BELL, JUNE ELIZABETH
50,000 Direct Planned Sale $66,5001
19-Jan-06 JOSEPH, MICHAEL RICHARD
75,000 Direct Planned Sale $90,0001
15-Jan-06 MARKS, JOHN D.
150,000 Direct Planned Sale $49,5001
11-Jan-06 SPECKMAN, HARVEY
600,000 Direct Planned Sale $420,0001
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Thanks for that most excellent investigation of XSUNX.

I'd like to add that several other companies have Building-Integrated photovoltaics already, and as someone pointed out earlier, Ovonics is selling their solar roof tiles, which integrate right into asphalt-shingle roofs.

That's an approach that makes immensely more sense than XSUNX, if they should ever actually produce an economical, marketable product.

I think i would put this company in with the likes of REFR, Nanopierce Tech, and STHK... all supposedly have great technologies, but never can seem to get them out of the garage.
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There are a number of alt energy companies whose financials lead me to believe they are designed more to enrich insiders than to ever really make a profit - a big name I put in that same category is HYGS and I'm not too sure about FCEL.

I sure don't understand that comment about HYGS and FCEL. I have problems with both - especially HYGS and its clear management competency problems of the past several months (though not in its fuel cell units). But for what you're saying, you need to be a lot more specific, please.

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Anyone who invest in solar energy is wasting its time. Show me one guy that has made money in solar, or any of the hair brain alternate energy stuff (fuel cells, etc) over the long term, and I will show you a liar.

The only way you can make money in solar is in a ponzi scheme. You get enough idiots to buy into the stock and you sell before the last idiot realizes his been taken.



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But reputable companies like Dow Chemical seem to be buying in and investing. They are far from pure plays, and it will take huge success to move the stock even a little. But the signs are there that one day solar may cease to be the playground of the penny stocks and the famous "pump and dump."
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The only way you can make money in solar is in a ponzi scheme. You get enough idiots to buy into the stock and you sell before the last idiot realizes his been taken

As one of the idiots who has invested in solar energy stocks, I'd be interested in your evidence that it is a ponzi scheme.
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Jim,
Don't check back with this board too often and I just saw that. My comments about HYGS and FCEL basically relate to their insider trading activity which I think I detailed to some extent on the Fuel Cell and Alt Energy board a while back. Iirc I also detected some problem for FCEL regarding stock based compensation.
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