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Large lots, very well rated schools, near DFW. Long commute into the sun both ways, but other than that, anyone have any additional info?

I mean, we're looking way far ahead here and this may all be academic, but at a glance it sure seems promising.

-synchronicity
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well i should hope that it is academic if you are looking at schools...

peace & nothing useful to add
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Dude. Large lots are overrated. It's friggin Texas and it's hot as the fiery pit of Satan's asscrack in the summer. You will melt when you go outside to mow that huge lawn you are looking for.

Get a house with a small lot neat a park and save yourself the headache of all that lawncare.
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Dude. Large lots are overrated. It's friggin Texas and it's hot as the fiery pit of Satan's asscrack in the summer. You will melt when you go outside to mow that huge lawn you are looking for.

Dude. It's friggin Texas. Just buy a goat.

Albaby

Has brother who lives in Paris, Texas - seen plenty of livestock up there.
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Dude, it's Texas.*

You're going from Chicago to Dallas. The lot size will be the least of your concerns.

That, plus given the good advice you have already received on traffic caused by sunglare.....I'd look for less lawn, shorter commute and perhaps another state.

but that's just me.






*this seems to be required in this thread
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It really depends upon the person. I greatly enjoy our 1 acre yard and wish it were larger, but this was all we could afford.




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Long commute into the sun both ways,


Don't underestimate the negatives of this.
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Long commute into the sun both ways

Don't underestimate how awful this is. Making sure your commute is the other way is usually the first advice I give to anyone coming here.
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Don't underestimate how awful this is. Making sure your commute is the other way is usually the first advice I give to anyone coming here.

It's not JUST that you can't see and are staring blindly into blazing light for a long time, it's also a matter of more accidents happening because of the glare. There are a few weeks every year where I am blinded by glare, and I've come very close to either hitting other cars or being hit. And I'm up here in Massachusetts.

Nancy
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Long commute into the sun both ways

Another thing to consider is that the sun in Texas is going to be a LOT brighter than the sun in Chicago. I have been to both places and speak from experience. You guys have a LOT of smog up there.
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I'd look for less lawn, shorter commute and perhaps another state.

Let's take it for granted that there are at least 40 states I'd rather go to. However, that's where this gig is. Given that unfortunate reality, I'm trying to figure out how best to deal with it.

Granted, the way to deal with it may be to run screaming back to civilization....

-synchronicity
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Dude. Large lots are overrated. It's friggin Texas and it's hot as the fiery pit of Satan's asscrack in the summer. You will melt when you go outside to mow that huge lawn you are looking for.

Get a house with a small lot neat a park and save yourself the headache of all that lawncare.


Problem is that there's a difference between "small lot" and "effing TINY lot", and way too many of the (somewhat humongous McMansion-y) houses are on teensy tiny postage stamp lots that require one to suck in their gut when they try to walk between the two of them. Your neighbor could ask you for Grey Poupon and you could hand them a jar from your window to theirs ("but of course!")*

I don't necessarily need a half-acre plus, but I definitely don't want a 2K house on a 4K lot. That would be bad enough, and if we get a pool (which seems mandatory in Texas if you're over median income), that means that the grassy part of our backyard would be about 6 square feet.

Plus, it's Texas** and I don't want to be any closer to my neighbors than I already will be (as in "being in the same state"). And besides, I'll likely hire cheap labor to do my lawnwork. I mean, it's Texas**. Aren't thing like "minimum wage laws" and "occupational safety standards" and whatnot creeping socialism and therefore not allowed?***

-synchronicity

*- OK, am I the ONLY one who remembers that commercial?
**- Apparently it really IS mandatory in this thread.
***- notice that I'm not discussing mortgages in Texas. That's to keep mick from ripping his eyes out and throwing them at his monitor.
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Have you e-mailed joelsenior for advice?
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It's not JUST that you can't see and are staring blindly into blazing light for a long time, it's also a matter of more accidents happening because of the glare. There are a few weeks every year where I am blinded by glare, and I've come very close to either hitting other cars or being hit. And I'm up here in Massachusetts.

And in the fall, you get to drive into the sun for two periods of time due to the changing of the clocks for standard time.

PSU
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rad:
Don't underestimate how awful this is. Making sure your commute is the other way is usually the first advice I give to anyone coming here.

Windowseat:
It's not JUST that you can't see and are staring blindly into blazing light for a long time, it's also a matter of more accidents happening because of the glare. There are a few weeks every year where I am blinded by glare, and I've come very close to either hitting other cars or being hit.

RJ:
Another thing to consider is that the sun in Texas is going to be a LOT brighter than the sun in Chicago. I have been to both places and speak from experience.

Duly noted. Thanks, everyone. This makes Plano/Frisco/other parts N/NE look a little better. Of course, tradeoff there is trying to keep syncspouse's commute from being excessive.

FWIW, I really, really appreciate everyone's comments. Well, except for Al's about getting a goat. Look, I'm ALREADY trying to keep syncspouse from obtaining sheep and chickens! I don't need people ENCOURAGING her to get livestock....

Wait, maybe that is a good reason for a tiny lot.

-synchronicity, of the wife not far removed from TinyGreekVillage
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FWIW, I really, really appreciate everyone's comments. Well, except for Al's about getting a goat. Look, I'm ALREADY trying to keep syncspouse from obtaining sheep and chickens! I don't need people ENCOURAGING her to get livestock....

Goat cheese !!!!!
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Look, I'm ALREADY trying to keep syncspouse from obtaining sheep and chickens! I don't need people ENCOURAGING her to get livestock....

She could always rent the sheep out to other people who want cheap labor to mow the lawn, but who refuse to hire anyone who is suspected of not being an Amuurrrican.

And if they're wool sheep, as opposed to meat sheep, she could always sell the fleece. Nice little extra income.

Nancy
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Problem is that there's a difference between "small lot" and "effing TINY lot", and way too many of the (somewhat humongous McMansion-y) houses are on teensy tiny postage stamp lots that require one to suck in their gut when they try to walk between the two of them. Your neighbor could ask you for Grey Poupon and you could hand them a jar from your window to theirs ("but of course!")*


Why are you looking at McMansions? I'd think that if you got a less McMansiony place you could get an acceptable yard for a lot less money and your cost of living would go way down too.

If you do look at the McMansions, pay careful attention to the homeowners' association covenants. Mine is currently restricting the type of fence I can put up, and I am less than happy about that. That could also be a factor when you look at pools.
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One thing you might consider is an underground house.

OK, are you done laughing yet?

Seriously, they are doing them more an more in these parts because of the heat. The efficiency of these homes is superb and if you add solar panels and geothermal heat/air, you can come very close to being off the grid.

The costs of these homes is comparable to most McMansions, and by definition they come with more land, and you really could get goats to take care of the lawn.

If we ever move from our current home, it will be underground.
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Why are you looking at McMansions?

I'm not really looking at them, it's just that they appear to be the predominant type of house in the areas we're considering (which is driven by "good schools" at least so far, although again, based on somewhat limited info. Plano is oft-mentioned for having good schools). There seems to be LOTS of newer construction down there, and much (most?) of that newer construction appears to be McMansion-ish, especially in the areas with the good schools and all. The nice areas with "older" homes appear to be Really.Effing.Expensive.

Again, this is preliminary zillow searches and all, time will tell and I'll likely be living solo down there for a few months (flying back every weekend) and renting so I'll learn more, but at first glance it appears to be that way.

-synchronicity
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You guys have a LOT of smog up there.

I'm not sure this is true.

I will grant you that Chicago has much, much, much more moisture in the air (from March - November, anyway) than Dallas and that may appear as smog. I have a hard time believing the overall and long-term AQI for Chicago is worse than Dallas.

My knee-jerk reaction is not just based on home-town pride. EPA compliance & reporting was a big deal in a former life of mine.


Chicago is bounded on its entire East border by this huge entity known as Lake Michigan. It is a vast, generally unpopulated (I'll touch upon water vessels momentarily) region that generally mitigates pollution.

Chicago is also generally flat. There are no mountains or valleys to impede weather/air movement. Compare the topography of Chicago to Salt Lake City, for example. SLC is in a humongous bowl. Man-made pollution is generally trapped. The weather during summer months conspires with the man-made air-chemistry to create an inversion layer and *blammo*, air so thick you can cut it with a knife.

Dallas/FW is also, generally flat. (For some reason I was thinking it was more bowl-like. But I digress.) They have a river, but the surface area is no where near as large as Lake Michigan.

A 2009 report issued by the American Lung Association indicated that Dallas/Fort Worth and Las Vegas were the only two cities in the US which saw an increase in ozone levels over the past ten years.

The 2010 report by the same agency lists Dallas/FW as #13 on the worst ozone cities list. Chicago is not present among the 25 worst. To be fair, Chicago is #16 on their "short-term particle" list and D/FW is absent from that list.


Chicago has a well-established and well-used public transportation system. Dallas/FW? Not so much. One thing that Dallas/FW have in their favor is the lack of shipping traffic. Believe it or not, ships' emissions are generally unregulated. (Although this may be changing. I admit I haven't been paying as much attention to these issues in the last ten years or so.) It is estimated the majority of the air pollution for Santa Barbara county is from ships traversing the Santa Barbara channel. Considering the size of the vessels and their powerplants it may not be so difficult to believe.

However, I am not so sure that Chicago shares the same problem. Weather generally moves from the west to the east. The Santa Barbara channel is west of the city/county of Santa Barbara and so the pollution from those ships is blown over to the land. Chicago, on the other hand, is west of the lake and so it is unclear that pollution from large ships on Lake Michigan has a direct impact on AQI for the City of Big Shoulders.
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Why are you looking at McMansions? I'd think that if you got a less McMansiony place you could get an acceptable yard for a lot less money and your cost of living would go way down too.


He and synchspouse own a lot of crap.

And they are used to having a basement (which effectively doubles the space they have).

Ishtar
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FWIW, I really, really appreciate everyone's comments. Well, except for Al's about getting a goat. Look, I'm ALREADY trying to keep syncspouse from obtaining sheep and chickens! I don't need people ENCOURAGING her to get livestock....


Get a big enough lot and you can get syncgirl a pony! You can even adopt a horsie from a shelter. Seriously, Animal Cops Houston shows lots of horses getting adopted from the Houston SPCA, I'm sure wherever you end up will have horses too since it's Texas.
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And once you have a pony, it'll be easy for syncspouse to get sheep, goats, and chickens. :)

Ishtar
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"Goat cheese !!!!!"

and

"She could always rent the sheep out to other people who want cheap labor to mow the lawn, but who refuse to hire anyone who is suspected of not being an Amuurrrican."

and

"And if they're wool sheep, as opposed to meat sheep, she could always sell the fleece. Nice little extra income."

Get a big enough lot and you can get syncgirl a pony! You can even adopt a horsie from a shelter. Seriously, Animal Cops Houston shows lots of horses getting adopted from the Houston SPCA, I'm sure wherever you end up will have horses too since it's Texas."

and

"And once you have a pony, it'll be easy for syncspouse to get sheep, goats, and chickens. :)"

I hate you all.

-synchronicity
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http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/freshmen/after-you-apply/autom...

My younger son's college friend/roommate grew up in Plano and did not get into UT. He went to Mizzou and was 1st chair trombone in orchestra the first semester of freshman year with a double major in journalism and music and had merit scholarships there. But the top 10% from Plano are likely to be MIT material and he wasn't in the top 10%.

Just info but hugely PITA for parents of kids in good high schools and it's state policy.
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Get a big enough lot and you can get syncgirl a pony!

Oh yes! Girls love ponies. Owning a horse is a minor expense.
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am I the ONLY one who remembers that commercial?


No.
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Long commute into the sun both ways,

Catching up: I did not even know you were considering moving but fwiw, I had a horrible car accident a few years ago that was pretty much caused by sunglare. I still freak out when I encounter a lot of glare while driving and I don't know how anyone does it on a regular basis, honestly. Just the other day I begged P to take T to school because the glare was so bad (this basically only happens for a couplefew weeks in the fall around here). He didn't. But he did give me an alternate route, which made the trip twice as long, but I was happy to do it.

Also: I know it's incredibly ignorant to start a sentence with "I have never been to _____ but..." BUT I still have to say it. I've never been to Texas, but I've never heard anything about Dallas that made it sound appealing in the slightest to a left-leaning weirdo such as myself and, I think, you. Austin, sure. San Antonio, perhaps. If Dallas is not a TOO HOT town of big-haired ladies, football, megachurches, and ultra-conservative politics, then nevermind.
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If Dallas is not a TOO HOT town of big-haired ladies, football, megachurches, and ultra-conservative politics, then nevermind.

Change to "ultra-conservative politics" to "and the occasional moderate" and you're describing the entire state of Texas.
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Southlake is considered very chi-chi, sort of like Highland Park in the 'burbs. Schools are topnotch, there's a Central Market and Southlake Town Center is great for shopping (there's a Container Store, Crate and Barrel, Pottery Barn, Chico's, Cheesecake Factory, Morton's Steakhouse, cinema, other good restaurants), close to airport. Your commute will suck big ones.

I met another Fool, electrasmom, there for lunch a couple of times, once at the Thai place. I don't know if she lives there or Grapevine or exactly where, but she knows the area, if you want to ask her.

Chili
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I've never heard anything about Dallas that made it sound appealing in the slightest to a left-leaning weirdo such as myself

Sug, Dallas County went for Obama in '08.

Just sayin'.

Chili
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Oh crap, I just remembered I owe you an email! Thanks for the thing!
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So, is my perception of Dallas completely off?
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So, is my perception of Dallas completely off?


Of course not! Almost spot-on, in fact, but enough folks in the county did show the good judgment to vote for Obama and give him that county in Texas (along with Travis aka Austin. Not sure about any others, tho).

The big-hair comment is a bit ironic coming from someone who lives in Joisey. I know you don't have it, but it's pretty well known as a big-hair state.

Chili
not of the big-hair, but in the '80s, whee-doggie
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So, is my perception of Dallas completely off?


In a lot of places, especially bigger cities, there are hidden niches for those who don't fit the overall mold. There are conservative havens in crazy liberal Seattle and Portland (election result maps illustrate it nicely) for example. My brother, no stranger to the offbeat, went to school in Fort Worth for four years and spent lots of time in Dallas doing...offbeat things.

Still, it *is* tough to be in the minority sometimes, even if your immediate surrounds are familiar territory.
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Still, it *is* tough to be in the minority sometimes, even if your immediate surrounds are familiar territory.


Ramen!

I love Texas and always will; my roots here go back to before it was a state but, dang, it's hard to live here sometimes. I can blame Shrub and Good Hair for pushing it even farther and more militantly/fundily to the right, but it was pretty red before they started their regimes.

Chili
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Thanks for the thing!


You're welcome?

Chili
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That's very cool about Obama and I had no idea.

The big-hair comment is a bit ironic coming from someone who lives in Joisey. I know you don't have it, but it's pretty well known as a big-hair state.

Truthfully? I never see big hair here, or anyone who resembles the Jersey Shore people or whatever the stereotype is. NJ is really diverse in every way. I'm not trying to argue- just pointing out that I have found most of the Jersey stereotypes to be fairly meaningless.

But I'm also not deeply rooted to this place; I like it, but I didn't grow up here and if we had to move tomorrow for P's job, that would be tough on the kids but not on me. (Though I personally would hate to be landlocked; I think we had that discussion before.) Do you think you would have as much affection for the Dallas area if it weren't/wasn't* your hometown?**














*I absolutely cannot remember which is correct
**if it is- sorry, I remember so little nowadays
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My brother, no stranger to the offbeat, went to school in Fort Worth for four years and spent lots of time in Dallas doing...offbeat things.

heh
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I've never heard anything about Dallas that made it sound appealing in the slightest


Says the New Jersey housewife.

MUFF CABBAGE!
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Your old house. I haven't had a chance to swing by yet. It's very close to my gym but we tend to go late at night when I wouldn't be able to see anything. But I will check it out soon!
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Meant to add- do you think someone like sync, with no ties to the area, would like Dallas?
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I'm not really looking at them, it's just that they appear to be the predominant type of house in the areas we're considering (which is driven by "good schools" at least so far, although again, based on somewhat limited info. Plano is oft-mentioned for having good schools).

Dude, it's Texas. ;-) Check out www.greatschools.org for more info; also www.city-data.com.

TEDP
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Dude, it's Texas. ;-) Check out www.greatschools.org for more info; also www.city-data.com, especially the forums.

TEDP
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Even I remember that commercial
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I never see big hair here, or anyone who resembles the Jersey Shore people or whatever the stereotype is.

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Do you go to the actual Jersey Shore much?

-CH
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Do you think you would have as much affection for the Dallas area if it weren't/wasn't* your hometown?**



Oh, no. I don't have much affection for it now. It's not my hometown. My hometown is in the western part of the state and is neocon cubed. Talk about no affection.

Of the Metroplex, I like Fort Worth best because, despite being called and promoting itself as Cowtown and being conservative, it has far superior museums. The Kimball is spectacular. The Modern is good, too, and the cafe is superb. Then there's the Amon Carter, which is cowboy art with lots of Remington bronzes, etc., etc. There's also Bass Hall that is really first-rate, though the Myerson in Dallas is good, too. The Japanese Garden built on the site of an old quarry is so incredibly peaceful I never want to leave when I'm there and the Botanical Garden is wonderful, too.

You're also right that not everyone in Jersey has big hair, but then, not every woman in Dallas has big hair either.

Chili
loves to hate to love Texas
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But I will check it out soon!


Good deal.
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do you think someone like sync, with no ties to the area, would like Dallas?


There are things about it he'll like and probably more things he'll hate, but it's a liveable city and there's enough diversity that he'll be able to find an edible gyro.

Remember, I hated New Jersey with a passion and still harbor a strong dislike, but when I look back on it, there were some good things about it. Mostly that where we lived was a fairly quick train ride into Manhattan, but there were other things, too. I was frantic to leave and still glad we did, but I'm not sorry we lived there. I suspect Synch et al will feel similarly about Dallas.
Then again, they might end up loving it. Who knows?

Chili
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loves to hate to love Texas

snort.
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Not as much as mick does.
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So, is my perception of Dallas completely off?


I wouldn't say that.
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Truth
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Dude, it's Texas. ;-)

Yes, thank you for saying that because some folks are forgetting. PEOPLE!

Check out www.greatschools.org for more info; also www.city-data.com.

Already using the former (forget if you or Ish or someone else gave me the link, but THANK YOU, andthey REALLY like Southlake's schools) and will check the latter.

-synchronicity
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Two weeks ago my wife and I agreed to go through the whole house and organize, toss or donate.

I figure we'll finish sometime in January, working two hours a weekend every weekend between now and then.

It is frightening how much crap can be accumulated easily.
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don't even start reminding me about moving cr@p. My house is currently Crapocalypse Now.

-synchronicity
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I absolutely cannot remember which is correct


In this case, it's "weren't".

(Past subjunctive, i think.)
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Large lots, very well rated schools, near DFW. Long commute into the sun both ways, but other than that, anyone have any additional info?

Is the Fort Worth Cabela's closer to Southlake than the Hoffman Estates Cabela's is to you right now?
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You are correct, and it is in fact the past subjunctive.

The subjunctive mood is as exciting to me as spreadsheets are to synch.

That's scary. Sorry about that.
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http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/freshmen/after-you-apply/autom...

Thanks for the heads-up. Usual caveats apply (who knows if we'll still be there by the time syncgirl heads for high school, laws may change in that time, she may not have any desire to go to UT, etc.) but that is good to know.

Heck, I'll probably bug you more about college-type stuff in the future as it becomes something more than "that event way off on the distant horizon"

-synchronicity, knows time can move awfully fast in that regard
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knows time can move awfully fast in that regard

Oh, yes!

Ishtar
- researching colleges, and recently forced the kid to read Ramit Sethi's blog post on how he got $100k in scholarship money to Stanford. . .
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Ishtar
- researching colleges, and recently forced the kid to read Ramit Sethi's blog post on how he got $100k in scholarship money to Stanford. . .


Link, please!

TEDP
researching how we'll pay for MIT
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Thanks!
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Funny how things work out.

-synchronicity, there's trees. Who knew?
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Reading through old posts:

I met another Fool, electrasmom, there for lunch a couple of times, once at the Thai place.

Chili, if you recall the place, post or drop me a line. And I probably owe electrasmom an email as well (FWIW, earlier this month I drove through the area where IIRC she's at. Very pretty.)

-synchronicity
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http://www.thaichilitownsquare.com/

Odd, I wrote a reply before lunch, but it does not appear.

Anyway, it's a chain; we have one in a nearby suburb. It's (or was) in the next block in from Starbucks. Certainly edible.

Oh, and I haven't seen electrasmom post since before we moved down here. If you contact her, tell her 'hi' for me, please. Nice lady.

Chili
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Thank you! I've generally avoided the restaurants in the Town Square, but may well check it out.

I haven't contacted electrasmom in quite awhile, but was thinking about her recently (aforementioned drive being one time) and keep meaning to email her. I'll definitely pass along a howdy!

-synchronicity
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Going through ancient posts:

There are things about it he'll like and probably more things he'll hate, but it's a liveable city and there's enough diversity that he'll be able to find an edible gyro.

We have yet to make it to Stratos (sp?), which is the Greek place on NW Highway not too far from 114, apparently, which everyone raves about. There was a place not that far away in...Wautauga, I think, that made a decent gyro, but sadly it closed. The gyro quest is a long and largely disappointing one.

There are some genuinely nifty things about Dallas, and I really need to hit the Kimball in Ft. Worth (it's a crime that we haven't gone yet). The Perot Museum is awesome and we are now members. There's some decent ethnic food buried in Arlington as well as a bunch in Richardson and (thank you Tootru) a Lee's Sandwiches at the Garland/Richardson border. Unfortunately, where we live is largely an ethnic desert, but that was our choice.

The weather this year has been unusually cool and rainy, which makes it far more bearable. The hot dry summers are just a mental grind.

we're still here, and there are things that drive me crazy about the place (*cough* state-level politics *cough*), but we have the ability to fly out if it gets to be too much.

-synchronicity
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Unfortunately, where we live is largely an ethnic desert, but that was our choice.


Get your ass over to Medina pronto.
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You still haven't tried Yummy's, I guess.
https://plus.google.com/106804416305280851852/about?hl=en
A few more reviews with the worst being first.
https://www.zomato.com/denton-tx/yummys-greek-denton-denton

Gyros City is new since we've been gone:
https://plus.google.com/114686179291523451415/about?hl=en

This place used to be called International Foods. Run by an Iraqi family who, we suspected lived in the kitchen area. Mediterranean Food. Well-traveled friends couple gave it four thumbs up. We went there often.
http://greenzatar.com/
Check out the menu: http://greenzatar.com/our-menu/

Chili
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So, I was stumbling through old posts, as I sometimes do, and found this:

Gyros City is new since we've been gone:
https://plus.google.com/114686179291523451415/about?hl=en


Chili, would you believe that it's closed already? Granted, we rarely get up to Denton (although we bought our car up there!), but still...

Our PCP is in Ft. Worth near Watauga, and syncspouse found a decent gyro place down thataway, but for the life of me I can't remember the name or exact location.

There WAS a good philly cheesesteak place in Grapevine off 1709, just across 114 from Southlake, but it ALSO closed! They have another location, but it's in Dallas just north of 635 (not far from the Greek church that we go to from time to time). A bit too far to drive just for a sammich.

Now that I work from home, I don't travel into Dallas much. Oh, and that area where the new Buc-ee's is, at 114 and 35W, is EXPLODING with growth! There's now an entire outlet mall adjacent to the Buc-ee's, and a ton of fast food restaurants, and there's more retail going up there as well, and I'm sure subdivisions just to the west are not far behind. They're widening 114 out that way. Thank God I'm not commuting anymore, as the traffic is likely to get much worse.

Also, I think they're FINALLY getting around to widening the Busy Street near our subdivision, which is kinda sad. It's only a matter of time before some of the large fields near us get sold off and developed into more housing, some health care facilities, and, (it'll happen eventually), More Retail. Because Dog Knows what Southlake REALLY needs is More Retail, FFS.

Oh, and the high school football coach is on Administrative Leave by the district as they investigate the program. It sounds like it's possibly about some UIL violations with an undercurrent of "personality conflict between the coach and the AD". So this might be one of those "honored in the breach" sorts of things. There could be more "there" there, and I guess we'll find out in the next couple of weeks. It's made the evening news here, apparently, with the usual comments about "scandal in Southlake" and how all the beautiful people now have to deal with an ugly truth and whatnot. Because yeah, that's me, the beautiful people. Pardon me, I have to go fart now.

My job still likes me, as do my wife and daughter, and I still love the family and generally like my job, occasional gripes notwithstanding. We bought some nice furniture pretty cheap at an estate sale (that's what they call "garage sales" here but we don't want to sound déclassé). We hope to get some repairs and maintenance done in the next few months and get some more furniture this year. I need to get more sleep. I bought a carpton of weight lifting equipment and have been doing that, although not this week because my left shoulder has been acting up (getting it looked at tomorrow).

Pretty much it. Oh yeah, and we'll ride through this market volatility the same way we did in 1998 (Long Term Capital Management's meltdown), the 2000 dot.com bubble burst, the 2008 housing bubble burst followed by Bear Sterns and then Lehman going under, and a few smaller ones in between. I'm really far more focused on our health than our wealth these days, because the former is FAR more important than the latter, although we're fortunate that the latter allows us more options in attending to the former.

-synchronicity
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Chili, would you believe that it's closed already? Granted, we rarely get up to Denton (although we bought our car up there!), but still...

I think that place has opened and closed since we left. Never heard of it. I see, however, that the place we liked so much is still open on University: Yummy's Greek Restaurant, 210 W University Dr, Denton, TX 76201.

Oh, and that area where the new Buc-ee's is, at 114 and 35W, is EXPLODING with growth! There's now an entire outlet mall adjacent to the Buc-ee's, and a ton of fast food restaurants, and there's more retail going up there as well, and I'm sure subdivisions just to the west are not far behind. They're widening 114 out that way. Thank God I'm not commuting anymore, as the traffic is likely to get much worse.

OMG. That's insane, which is typical for that kind of growth. I just realized that it has been almost five years since I've been up there. Hard to imagine all that wide open space built up like that. Roanoke must be booming, too. Five years ago it was still just a plodding little railroad town. That intersection with TMS, especially in April and October, must be beyond unbearable. It's good there's Denton Road to go north and that road (170?) that angles off to the southwest to maybe avoid a bit of the congestion, or perhaps they are also jam-packed. And that little bucolic area northish from you where the streets are like tree-lined, winding country lanes, was already very exclusive. You'll get the overflow from that when you decide to leave.

Glad all is going well for you, considering. Hope the shoulder is all right.

Chili
P.S. Football . . . eh, meh.
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OMG, synch's alive.

PSU
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And that little bucolic area northish from you where the streets are like tree-lined, winding country lanes, was already very exclusive. You'll get the overflow from that when you decide to leave.

If you mean northwestish - it's no longer that little, and not as bucolic. Still exclusive, but also growing like gangbusters. You can imagine the look on my face driving through there now. "WTHF?!"

Next time you're at that intersection by TMS, you'll be gobsmacked. It is BSC with the development. Similar thing with Roanoke, especially at the 114/377 intersection.

I met a co-worker for lunch at Brio in Southlake-Town-Square-Upscale-Mall-Shop-O-Rama. It was fairly nice, even better when it's paid for by the company. I usually only stop in the Town Square when I have coupons for Corner Bakery or to mail some bills.

They're putting up hotels around here now. In fact, there's been carploads of development just in this town since we moved in less than 5 years ago.

We'll make it down to your neck of the woods sometime. The sad truth is that it's easier for us to fly 3 hours away than drive. Ah well.

-synchronicity
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If you mean northwestish -

I am but mad north-north-west. When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw.

Or if I being buzzed by a plane in a corn field. I'm real sane then.

Wally
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Also, I think they're FINALLY getting around to widening the Busy Street near our subdivision, which is kinda sad. It's only a matter of time before some of the large fields near us get sold off and developed into more housing, some health care facilities, and, (it'll happen eventually), More Retail. Because Dog Knows what Southlake REALLY needs is More Retail, FFS.

Well, they did start widening the street. They're about a year into it, and it's a Huge Freaking Mess. And we only have another...two more years to go? And it'll get even worse once the main work move to right in front of our subdivision.

ALSO, they did start developing one of those fields (however, not the one that they've been saying they're going to develop for about 5 years now). And on that field they will be building...a hotel. Six stories tall. DogDarnit!!

Meanwhile, daughter starts HIGH SCHOOL this fall. We're still stumbling by somehow. And a writer friend of mine from college just had her recently-published-book recommended for the Summer Reading List by none other than THE NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW! I was fortunate enough to attend a school with some seriously amazing people.

-synchronicity
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