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The complex system, in this case a wing, must come from a simpler system.

Dude, you are just wrong, and you haven't paid attention to a word we've said. The wing is in fact one of the best examples to refute your claim, and that you naively put it forth yourself shows that you aren't engaging the rest of us, you are just regurgitating talking points. You know just as well as everyone else here that the wing in the evolutionary paradigm is a derived arm--it has gotten simpler, not more complex! It has reduced bones, less musculature (in the arm itself), it has lost almost all its carpals, certainly there are no useful digits left.

And it must be in stages. You don't get a wing sprouting full-blown on the back of a salamander.

The terms for this are "straw man," and, "slippery slope." You should be ashamed of yourself. Once again, you know better than to accuse the evolutionary paradigm of suggesting this. Will you please stop insulting us?

- Joe
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