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"The Rise in COVID-19 Cases Explained
Rachel del Guidice / @LRacheldG / July 10, 2020

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...Is mask-wearing effective or not?

Pham: Yes, it is. And there’s a lot of the people who are against mask-wearing. They cite the fact that there’s not a lot of direct evidence showing that wearing a mask prevents transmission of COVID-19. Well, that’s because there’s not a lot of research being done on it. It’s a lot of clinical knowledge. Surgeons wear masks in the OR to prevent them spreading their respiratory droplets onto the patient.

It’s not about protecting yourself from viruses; it’s very counterintuitive the way masks work with regards to COVID-19. It doesn’t protect the person wearing the mask. It protects everyone around the person wearing the mask. And so you’re not trying to stop virus from coming in; you’re trying to prevent viruses from going out.

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Surgeons wear masks in the OR to prevent them spreading their respiratory droplets onto the patient. It’s not about protecting yourself from viruses; it’s very counterintuitive the way masks work with regards to COVID-19. It doesn’t protect the person wearing the mask. It protects everyone around the person wearing the mask. And so you’re not trying to stop virus from coming in; you’re trying to prevent viruses from going out.

Which is a violation of basic civil liberty. Namely, forcing healthy people to wear masks to supposedly protect other healthy people. If someone is proven to be sick, then restricting their access to the public is common sense and good policy, but until then it is tyranny. From what I read prolonged wearing of a mask does more harm to the wearer than good for anyone else. You're breathing in your own exhale waste and limiting fresh air needed for healthy living. Most civilized people are polite enough to not sneeze or cough on other people. Surgeons wear masks because they are standing over someone who has vulnerable parts of their body opened up for repair. Surgeons don't wear masks when consulting you prior to or after surgery.

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Which is a violation of basic civil liberty.

Nope.

Namely, forcing healthy people to wear masks to supposedly protect other healthy people.

How do you know they *are* healthy? Speculation on your part. You are posting KNOWN Fake News.
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How do you know they *are* healthy? Speculation on your part. You are posting KNOWN Fake News.

How do you know they are sick? The speculation is on your part. By your logic everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Of course that is the way liberals operate, the Kavanaugh hearings demonstrated that.

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How do you know they are sick?

There is the hole in your entire speculative claim. People CAN be sick and spread the disease--because they do not *appear* sick.

The speculation is on your part.

Wrong. There is no way to tell the difference between a sick person with no symptoms and a healthy person.

By your logic everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

Wrong again. Nobody knows who is/isn't sick. Which is why quarantining everyone worked.

What penalty should those who do NOT want to wear masks pay as a result of their choice to NOT wear a mask? How about denial of medical care for them for the disease they claim they do NOT have? Would that be fair? Do medical personnel treat *imaginary* diseases? For what Spankee disease would those who get sick--by choosing to not wear a mask--be treated? Explain your answer in detail.

Plus, the idiots who do NOT wear masks WILL get other people sick. They and their estate/family are to compensate those who they made ill. Kinda tough on the family, but choices have consequences. The CHOICE to be a disease spreader is one made with full knowledge of the potential consequences. Guess how much THAT insurance coverage would cost (if they could get it, that is). Yeah, you have just documented the right is the definition of screw everyone else because "the right doesn't give a flying f..." about anything but themselves. The right USED TO claim "personal responsibility". You have just publicly proved the right ALWAYS LIES. You know, like Spankee does.
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There is the hole in your entire speculative claim. People CAN be sick and spread the disease--because they do not *appear* sick. Wrong. There is no way to tell the difference between a sick person with no symptoms and a healthy person.

I tell you what, you can wear a mask and get some kind of lung fungus because you breath in your own waste. As for me I choose to live free.

Nobody knows who is/isn't sick. Which is why quarantining everyone worked.

I know the 99.9% of the populations isn't sick, that testing is skewed to give false positives, kung flu death tallies are exaggerated, and that quarantining caused much more harm than the china flu ever will.

Plus, the idiots who do NOT wear masks WILL get other people sick. They and their estate/family are to compensate those who they made ill. The right USED TO claim "personal responsibility"

Prove that they made other people sick, you said yourself that "There is no way to tell the difference between a sick person with no symptoms and a healthy person." I bet you support suing people if you happen to catch a cold. Grow up.

Adults (those on the right) do take personal responsibility for their actions, it is the evil sickos on the left who blame everyone else for their own lack of personal responsibility. Of course that is what the left is known for blaming everyone else except themselves.

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Adults (those on the right) do take personal responsibility for their actions

Based on your statement, quoted above, people who "take personal responsibility for their actions" would be responsible adults and wear a mask. Why? Because they do NOT know if they are asymptomatic carriers.

As you stated, you would NOT wear a mask.

Therefore, you are NOT--per your own quote statement--an adult who takes personal responsibility.
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Based on your statement, quoted above, people who "take personal responsibility for their actions" would be responsible adults and wear a mask. Why? Because they do NOT know if they are asymptomatic carriers.

Personal responsibility means I take responsibility for my personal health and well being. If you are afraid of someone else's breathing, take personal responsibility for your own health and well being, wear a face diaper and stay away from crowded public places. Tell us, how is it that lefty mayors and governors determine that protesting does not spread C19, but normal American activities do?

If you were really smart you would be demanding that HCQ be readily available for everyone. Of course you won't because President Trump has admitted that he takes it for preventative measures. You do know that Obama was taking HCQ back in 2008?

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1281750586204069889...

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Personal responsibility means I take responsibility for my personal health and well being.

FALSE.

It means you take responsibility for protecting the *public* health, not just your own *personal* issues. Just because you *do not like something* is irrelevant. Thus, to protect the public health, the public CAN *legally* force you to live where you are not a threat to the public. Does the phrase "lock him up" ring a bell? ROFLMAO !! The ultimate welfare case. Housing, food, clothing, etc--ALL paid by the govt. The problem is simple--for you: You WILL NOT have a choice in the matter.

If your "personal health" claim was true, then the govt would have no authority to impose any quarantine on anyone--for any reason. The courts have ruled contrary to your personal theory, and that has been historic precedent for well over a century. The govt DOES have the authority to impose a quarantine if it deems one is necessary.
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It means you take responsibility for protecting the *public* health, not just your own *personal* issues.

No, that would be civic responsibility, something leftists don't believe in because they want the government to be their nanny.

If your "personal health" claim was true, then the govt would have no authority to impose any quarantine on anyone--for any reason.

IF a person is diagnosed as being sick than quarantine is applicable. In fact patriots on the right would volunteer to do that for the good of the country. But Nazis on the left want to impose draconian lock downs on everyone, diagnosed as being sick or not.

Does the phrase "lock him up" ring a bell?

Does the phrase "Give me liberty or give me death" have any meaning to communists on the left?

Rope
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IF a person is diagnosed as being sick than quarantine is applicable. In fact patriots on the right would volunteer to do that for the good of the country.

Given an undiagnosable medical condition, your claim falls flat on its face. To diagnose something requires the capacity to test--which does NOT exist in the US.

But Nazis on the left...

Further proof you lost the argument and have nothing rational to contribute.

Does the phrase "Give me liberty or give me death" have any meaning to communists on the left?

The fascists on the right want to be overlords over everyone, but they just can't manage it. There is *no* country that is successful when run as the right claims *works*. Nor have the wealthy patrons of the right wing leadership attempted to create such a country. Why? Because they KNOW how fake the right wing claims are. And they would never bankroll such a losing proposition. They DO want your money though.
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Personal responsibility means I take responsibility for my personal health and well being. If you are afraid of someone else's breathing, take personal responsibility for your own health and well being, wear a face diaper and stay away from crowded public places.

Do you also believe you (or anyone) should have the right to drive 100 mph down a city street, in the name of "taking responsibility for your personal health and well being"? And if other people don't like it, they can take responsibility for their own health and well being and avoid streets?

If not, why not?
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Given an undiagnosable medical condition, your claim falls flat on its face. To diagnose something requires the capacity to test--which does NOT exist in the US.

Gee, there sure are a lot of tests being conducted. How is that possible if the US does not have the capacity to test?

The fascists on the right want to be overlords over everyone,

You mean the left. Funny that all the riots, looting, and murders are primarily taking place in cities run by leftists.

There is *no* country that is successful when run as the right claims *works*.

Which is why everyone wants to move to America, right?

Rope
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Do you also believe you (or anyone) should have the right to drive 100 mph down a city street, in the name of "taking responsibility for your personal health and well being"?

Invalid comparison. In a Republic, people make laws (through elected personnel) to provide for the public good. The driver is actively breaking a posted law.

A private citizen going about his daily business is not posing a threat by not wearing a face diaper. He is not breaking any laws. If that same person tested positive than he could be quarantined until the threat has passed. By forcing healthy people to wear masks you are violating individual liberty. You are denying the right to due process, innocent until proven guilty.

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The rise in 'cases' or positive tests, is interesting but not really relevant. What matters is the death rate caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus as determined by lab testing rather than a positive nasal swab or judgemental 'presumptive diagnosis', and this confirmed death rate is declining. Some argue this is because less susceptible (read: younger) people are being tested and/or there is now better treatment. Whatever the case, the number of new cases...other than counting towards the % of population naturally vaccinated...is not important.

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A private citizen going about his daily business is not posing a threat by not wearing a face diaper. He is not breaking any laws.

When there is a mandatory face mask requirement, then the person IS violating the law. Plus, private business, AND the govt, has the the authority to deny entrance/service to anyone who violates the business's (govt's) stated mask policy. The only reason the business/govt would require a mask would be if a person NOT wearing a mask *posed a reasonable threat* to other people as a result of his/her choice to NOT wear a mask.
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Invalid comparison. In a Republic, people make laws (through elected personnel) to provide for the public good. The driver is actively breaking a posted law.

Whether it's an invalid comparison or not is up for debate, but the larger issue is that you do apparently agree there are situations where individual "freedoms" must be restricted for the public good. Yay, we agree on something! Then we can have a conversation about where to draw the lines, instead of whether lines should be drawn at all.

Does something need to be a "law" in order to be the ethical and moral thing to do? Do you really think our elected legislators are the highest and best authority in such matters? Good Lord, I certainly hope not! :-)

A private citizen going about his daily business is not posing a threat by not wearing a face diaper. He is not breaking any laws.

Not posing a threat by not wearing a mask? Then why are they recommended by so many scientific and medical professionals? Why are they being worn by people the world over? Why do 80% of American voters have a favorable opinion of people who wear masks (and that's according to Fox News)?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-say-ye...

If that same person tested positive than he could be quarantined until the threat has passed. By forcing healthy people to wear masks you are violating individual liberty. You are denying the right to due process, innocent until proven guilty.

The problems here are that a) many people who have the virus have no symptoms or little enough symptoms that they are not likely to get tested, b) the test results can often take 4 or 5 days to be received, during which time the person can be contagious, and c) the person probably was contagious for at least a few days before getting enough symptoms to get tested. But they can still spread the virus unknowingly and unintentionally.

Let's say you're exercising your individual liberty by going to a 4th of July barbecue, and the virus gets spread around, especially among people that aren't wearing masks. You end up getting the virus, and get enough symptoms that you must be hospitalized. You survive, but one of the health care workers who was working long hours and doing their darnedest to help you in that high risk environment contracts the virus and dies. Whose liberty was violated? Who needs to take responsibility for their actions?
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You end up getting the virus, and get enough symptoms that you must be hospitalized. You survive, but one of the health care workers who was working long hours and doing their darnedest to help you in that high risk environment contracts the virus and dies. Whose liberty was violated? Who needs to take responsibility for their actions? - Carpian

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One other "who" question is, "Who is to say the hapless healthcare worker caught the virus from you? Or ever at their job in the hospital for that matter?"
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One other "who" question is, "Who is to say the hapless healthcare worker caught the virus from you? Or ever at their job in the hospital for that matter?"

This is entirely irrelevant to the point being made. It's a hypothetical example, for Pete's sake. Fine, have it your way: the health care worker got it from Joe Smith in the grocery store, who got it at a gathering where people weren't wearing masks. Whatever. It doesn't matter.

The point being made is that by not wearing a mask, you are not just jeopardizing your own health and well-being, but that of other innocent people (and their families, etc.)--people who may even be valuable and helpful to you. Kinda like driving down the street at 100 mph, which is why I started with that analogy, and why I see it as a completely valid comparison.
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Whether it's an invalid comparison or not is up for debate, but the larger issue is that you do apparently agree there are situations where individual "freedoms" must be restricted for the public good.

The Constitution limits the role of government. The people run the government and they decide what common laws the government will enact and enforce. If they people find a law to be unjust, they vote out the elected representatives who voted for it, or they nullify said law when it goes to court through jury privilege.

Not posing a threat by not wearing a mask? Then why are they recommended by so many scientific and medical professionals? Why are they being worn by people the world over? Why do 80% of American voters have a favorable opinion of people who wear masks (and that's according to Fox News)?

I think if you follow the real news instead of depending on the fake news media, you will find that the tide is turning in the other direction. The poll was probably conducted by the same group that predicted Killary would win in 2016.

The problems here are that a) many people who have the virus have no symptoms or little enough symptoms that they are not likely to get tested, b) the test results can often take 4 or 5 days to be received, during which time the person can be contagious, and c) the person probably was contagious for at least a few days before getting enough symptoms to get tested. But they can still spread the virus unknowingly and unintentionally.

Must be tough living in fear all the time. We have cures, but certain elites want to keep them away from the public. Why? To get the populace used to compliance and to shut them up. The number of cases may be rising, but the death rate is falling. Masks do not filter the C19 virus, it is too small and the mask apertures are too large. While some would say water droplets carrying the virus are blocked, most people I know aren't spitting while they breath.

You survive, but one of the health care workers who was working long hours and doing their darnedest to help you in that high risk environment contracts the virus and dies. Whose liberty was violated? Who needs to take responsibility for their actions?

She should have access to the known cures and she should wear protective equipment if she so chooses. It is called occupational risk, get used to it.

Rope

PS: Next time reply to my post so I know that you did. Or maybe you were hoping I wouldn't go back and check on the thread?
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The point being made is that by not wearing a mask, you are not just jeopardizing your own health and well-being, but that of other innocent people

Untrue, you should read posts on this subject by Ajax. For example:

https://boards.fool.com/so-if-you-stop-the-droplets-you-stop...

Rope
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The point being made is that by not wearing a mask, you are not just jeopardizing your own health and well-being, but that of other innocent people (and their families, etc.)

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It would helpful if those innocents had ready access to Hydroxychloroquine to take as a preventive measure while they wait perhaps five years for a vaccine to be developed and then deployed to 300,000,000 people.
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Must be tough living in fear all the time. We have cures, but certain elites want to keep them away from the public. Why? To get the populace used to compliance and to shut them up.

And you said I live in fear? I know enough of the state of the world to know that by wading onto this board I would encounter an entirely alternate universe of "facts" that would preclude most of us from ever seeing eye to eye on much of anything. Fake news. There, we're even.

The number of cases may be rising, but the death rate is falling.

We're doing more testing, more younger people are testing positive (who are less likely to die), and there is a time lag between a spike in cases and a spike in deaths, because people don't die right away. Plus the virus evolves over time. And we get better at treating it, but we are a long way from having a cure. Just some wild and crazy thoughts...

She should have access to the known cures and she should wear protective equipment if she so chooses. It is called occupational risk, get used to it.

Wow, okey-dokey. She must have worked in one of those hospitals that don't require their employees to wear protective equipment when they work with COVID patients. Which one would that be, exactly? Known cure? Known to who? Our Divider in Chief, the same one who suggested injecting Lysol into your blood? Occupational risk, get used to it? I don't even know what to say to that. Get used to it like that pedestrian that gets run over by the 100 mph driver?

PS: Next time reply to my post so I know that you did. Or maybe you were hoping I wouldn't go back and check on the thread?

I also knew when I waded onto this board that I was wading into a hot den of conspiracy theories, but this takes the cake. If you really want to know, if I remember correctly (I wasn't paying a ton of attention at the time, contrary to what you seem to think), I was in the "Whole Thread" mode where I could see the whole thread. From there, I did pick your post to reply to. That's how I quoted you. I suppose it's possible that for some reason when I respond from Whole Thread mode, it doesn't show up in your "Replies to Your Posts" page, if that's where you were looking. I have no idea. That would be a good question for TMF. But I did reply to your post. I'm sorry if it didn't come through in a manner that you approve of. Here, I'll personally email this one to you so you won't think I'm trying to hide and conspire against you.
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Our Divider in Chief, the same one who suggested injecting Lysol into your blood? = Carpian

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So much for any hope of a rational discussion with you.
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Wow, okey-dokey. She must have worked in one of those hospitals that don't require their employees to wear protective equipment when they work with COVID patients. Which one would that be, exactly? Known cure? Known to who? Our Divider in Chief, the same one who suggested injecting Lysol into your blood? Occupational risk, get used to it? I don't even know what to say to that. Get used to it like that pedestrian that gets run over by the 100 mph driver?

She was your fictional creation, you tell us. Based on the rest of your post, I would advise you to get some rest, and turn off the nightly news.

Rope
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Our Divider in Chief, the same one who suggested injecting Lysol into your blood?

When did Pelosi say that? It's definitely known that nobody to her political right said anything even vaguely resembling it.
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I hope you stay home rope...you’re only thinking about yourself here, not for the greater good.
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I hope you stay home rope...you’re only thinking about yourself here, not for the greater good

Another response that doesn't directly reply to one of my posts, hmmm.

I think I saw you yesterday...alone in a car with windows up and mask on.

Rope
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"I hope you stay home rope...you’re only thinking about yourself here, not for the greater good."

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The problem with "good" is that it tends to taste like Brussels sprouts or kale.

Howie52
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<Our Divider in Chief, the same one who suggested injecting Lysol into your blood? = Carpian>

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<<So much for any hope of a rational discussion with you.>>




I am always amazed at those who say they do not see any presence of TDS.

We see TDS on full display here and pretty much everywhere else in our daily lives. You do not have to dig deep to find it.


I tire of RINOs like Romney blasting President Trump and saying he will not vote for him. I wonder if he can remember way, way back in the olden days of 2012. The other main candidate running for President this year visited a black church back then and told the congregation that Romney "wants to put you all back in chains". It was an outrageous statement.

It said a lot about Romney's character that when he was repeatedly punched and kicked with many vile remarks from the other side that he never punched back. A huge component of President Trump's support and popularity from the voters was his focus on those who were screwed for decades by both democrat and republican administrations. The outsourcing of jobs was fully supported by Biden and it led to the hollowing out of so many American towns and cities. The other side can't wait to get back in power and finish the job.

I can understand some not always liking some of the personal distractions that are created by Trump's style. However, there is no doubt where a Biden administration would go as far as raising taxes big time, adding growth destroying new regulations, not confronting China and backing off in places like Iran and North Korea creating much new instability. IOW, Biden's actual policies would be very negative for the very people that Republican senators and congressmen claim to support. They don't see that? Or is it as simple as when the other side regains power, they will not do any personal harm to Romney himself? That is much like the republicans who supported Hillary in 2016. They held a "who cares about my constituents, I am going to do very well myself".

Romney has descended into the useful idiot category. I don't see him having any wake up moments where someone finally slaps him out of it.




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<The problem with "good" is that it tends to taste like Brussels sprouts or kale.>


"One man's floor is another man's ceiling."
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<The problem with "good" is that it tends to taste like Brussels sprouts or kale.>


"One man's floor is another man's ceiling." -Paul Simon





BG
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The problem with "good" is that it tends to taste like Brussels sprouts or kale.

Howie52


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Heh. A little wordy for a fortune cookie but a pithy truth nevertheless.
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"I hope you stay home rope...you’re only thinking about yourself here, not for the greater good."

I'll probably be vilified by some for saying this, but I really couldn't give 2 manures for the common good if it means giving up my rights. I'll not allow anyone to bully me with a guilt trip. If you think a mask will protect you great, wear one. But don't wear one to protect ME. I'll take care of me and wear or not wear a mask as I see fit. And everyone else should do the same. I'll not be led down the primrose path of collective guilt and the latest outbreak of the socialism weed.

A point to ponder - we have had far worse pandemics and epidemics before, but never before have we so massively over-reacted by shutting down the country.
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Romney hates Trump because he knows that the 2 major differences between he and Trump are that Trump has principles and Trump has stones, and Romney has neither.

Go listen to a serious Trump interview from the 90s or early 2000s and his positions on virtually every issue are the same as now. He didn't wiggle and waffle and sway with the wind on every issue like Romney.

And Romney was like one of those roly poly punching bags. Someone would hit it and it would come up for another shot. And another. And another. Whereas Trump is more like the speedbag in that little Sanders clip. Sanders hit the bag and the bag bounced back and hit Sanders right in the fact. THAT is Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBgwimcPBOY
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A point to ponder - we have had far worse pandemics and epidemics before, but never before have we so massively over-reacted by shutting down the country.

The last time we had a pandemic of comparable (slightly smaller) magnitude in the US, right in the middle of it we had a little party known as "Woodstock"...
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And Romney was like one of those roly poly punching bags. Someone would hit it and it would come up for another shot. And another. And another. Whereas Trump is more like the speedbag in that little Sanders clip. Sanders hit the bag and the bag bounced back and hit Sanders right in the fact. THAT is Trump.

I wish we had a bulldog in the White House that spent a little less of its time chewing on its own hind leg... but still, I'm glad we have a bulldog in the White House.
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I'll probably be vilified by some for saying this, but I really couldn't give 2 manures for the common good if it means giving up my rights. I'll not allow anyone to bully me with a guilt trip. If you think a mask will protect you great, wear one. But don't wear one to protect ME. I'll take care of me and wear or not wear a mask as I see fit. And everyone else should do the same. I'll not be led down the primrose path of collective guilt and the latest outbreak of the socialism weed.

A point to ponder - we have had far worse pandemics and epidemics before, but never before have we so massively over-reacted by shutting down the country.


I'd say it like this: If we don't have individual freedoms...we no longer have a common good.

COVID has shown us the differences between Republicans and democrats.

Republicans know they're adults and believe in their own ability to do the right things.
democrats know they're children and need an 'adult' (read: the government) to tell them and everyone else what to do.

All you have to do is look at the red and blue states to see it.
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I would love to see a compilation of covid deaths in states with Dem governors compared to covid deaths in states with Rep governors. The numbers should be included in every campaign ad of every Republican in the country.
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It means you take responsibility for protecting the *public* health, not just your own *personal* issues. Just because you *do not like something* is irrelevant. Thus, to protect the public health, the public CAN *legally* force you to live where you are not a threat to the public. Does the phrase "lock him up" ring a bell? ROFLMAO !! The ultimate welfare case. Housing, food, clothing, etc--ALL paid by the govt. The problem is simple--for you: You WILL NOT have a choice in the matter.


If I am force to care for someone else, I need to be paid for that or it is indentured servitude, AKA slavery.

Kathleen
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Known cure? Known to who? Our Divider in Chief, the same one who suggested injecting Lysol into your blood?


1. Apparently Dr. Fauchi, the great leftist hope thinks it is:
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2020/05/fauci-knew-about-hcq...

2. What he said was, "And then I saw the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning,” Trump said during his White House press briefing. “As you see it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”

Let me ask, have you ever had a drink of water? Have you ever been out in the sun? These are two of the most powerful disinfectants on the planet. Have you ever had tap water? Some tap water is purified with a type of bleach. Funny how that whole "believe the science" aspect goes out the window when it does not fit the Leftist narrative.

BTW, I do not see the word Lysol anywhere in the President's quote.

Kathleen
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I hope you stay home rope...you’re only thinking about yourself here, not for the greater good.

"Whenever someone says, 'It's for the greater good, I hang onto my wallet.'"

Kathleen
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"BTW, I do not see the word Lysol anywhere in the President's quote.

Kathleen"


Well, we do know the Leftists are experts in misquoting our President!

Regards, Ken
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". What he said was, "And then I saw the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning,” Trump said during his White House press briefing. “As you see it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”"


Liquid breathing is a form of respiration in which a normally air-breathing organism breathes an oxygen-rich liquid (such as a perfluorocarbon), rather than breathing air.

This requires certain physical properties such as respiratory gas solubility, density, viscosity, vapor pressure, and lipid solubility which some, but not all, perfluorochemicals (perfluorocarbon) have.[1] Thus, it is critical to choose the appropriate PFC for a specific biomedical application, such as liquid ventilation, drug delivery or blood substitutes. The physical properties of PFC liquids vary substantially; however, the one common property is their high solubility for respiratory gases. In fact, these liquids carry more oxygen and carbon dioxide than blood.[2]

In theory, liquid breathing could assist in the treatment of patients with severe pulmonary or cardiac trauma.

This could be a way of introducing a disinfectant inside the body.There is research ongoing now at Temple University on per fluorocarbon.It is considered nontoxic & anti-inflammatory, & may eventually be a vehicle to perfuse 'disinfectant' into the lungs while removing inflammatory debris at the same time.
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Kathleen,the leftists as demonstrated by Adam Schiff,prefer not to use the word misquote.They like to say,"It was a parody".
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Kathleen,the leftists as demonstrated by Adam Schiff,prefer not to use the word misquote.They like to say,"It was a parody".

Spankee is a parody of a human being.
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Fauci Knew About HCQ in 2005 - Nobody Needed to Die... The Virology Journal... published... on August 22, 2005..."Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread..." Dr. Didier Raoult... said way back on February 25 that "it’s game over" for coronavirus. https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2020/05/fauci-knew-about-hcq...

Fact: Deliberately withholding a life saving medication from the public is murder. There is no other name for this and all these governors who are prohibiting the use of HCQ are going to face justice for this.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons filed a lawsuit against Department of Health and Human Services and the FDA for "irrational interference" by the FDA with timely access to Hydroxychloroquine... Hydroxychloroquine is the first choice in a study of 6,000 doctors treating the coronavirus. In the field and in independent testing hydroxychloroquine displayed amazing results in treating the COVID-19 virus. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/association-america...

• Plus we have the deliberate killing of our seniors in nursing homes. Governor Cuomo for example forced the nursing homes in New York to accept seniors infected with Covid-19 and as a result all the seniors in the nursing homes were wiped out. The New York order states: "No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19..." https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/explains-new-york-n...

Step back and think about this: Who killed all these tens of thousands people? Is it the Corona virus or is the governors of these so-called blue states?


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I'd say it like this: If we don't have individual freedoms...we no longer have a common good.

True.

It is also true that without a sense of the “common good”, only those controlling the levers of power possess anything resembling “individual rights”.

The two go hand in hand.

You cannot have one without the other.
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