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Last Saturday, roughly 300,000 vest-wearing protesters blocked roads and tried to disrupt normal activity throughout France. They were protesting a proposed rise in gasoline taxes

The above protest reflects the growing divide between the winners of globalization—Paris, Lyon, Bordeaux, and other major cities, which host industries able to produce for the global market—and the French periphery, smaller cities and rural areas that are failing to keep up.

Demographic changes in and around those cities have intensified the divide. Low-paying service jobs—minding the children, cleaning up at restaurants, trimming the hedges of the new bourgeoisie—are increasingly held by immigrants.


Impact of globalization & immigration has hit France’s working class similar to what has occurred in the USA. And like in the USA the french working feel that they have been ignored by the political establishment elites.

In the USA, the disgruntled elected a president that has scuttled TPP, renegotiated NAFTA, & instituted tariffs. One can only imagine how a disgruntled french working class could possibly effect change in France’s trade policy. Then one must consider whether urban/rural, working class/elites divide caused by globalization has occurred elsewhere in the world. Has any nation found a solution to ameliorate the impact of globalization?
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Impact of globalization & immigration has hit France’s working class similar to what has occurred in the USA. And like in the USA the french working feel that they have been ignored by the political establishment elites. In the USA, the disgruntled elected a president that has scuttled TPP, renegotiated NAFTA, & instituted tariffs.


Macron was favoured over the right wing/ populists in the last elections but has turned out to redistribute at the expense of the working class...

The pro-business, centrist leader, who beat the far-right candidate Marine Le Pen in an election a year ago, denied seeking to help the wealthy at the expense of the poor as he sought to shake off accusations that he is a “president of the rich”. Macron’s approval ratings have dipped particularly among the left and working-class voters, and a majority of French voters question whether they will benefit from his flagship policies including loosening labour laws, cutting corporate taxes and changing the workings of the state rail operator SNCF in the face of union strikes. An Odoxa survey last week found just 29% of French people thought his policies were fair. He has slashed France’s wealth tax and recently complained that the state spent too much on social security.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/09/macron-pledges...

... who understandably don't like it. Globalisation plays a role somewhat as does France's inability to integrate a major portion of its immigrants.

The protests might have wings. More radical elements are now poised to join them.
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The protests might have wings. More radical elements are now poised to join them.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7817676/police-bombarded-with-...
Police bombarded with fireworks fight back with tear gas as mass riots turn Paris into warzone

Looking at the pictures, it appears the protests have gone beyond the scale & intensity of the 1960’s US anti-war protests.

More news coverage:
https://www.apnews.com/d3033b920af449b594e66b51890b517b
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Looks like the French protest has legs. Economic impact on the French leadership.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-27/europe-s-...

Europe’s diesel market, already reeling from weeks of low water levels on the Rhine River, is now contending with a major supply disruption in France.

Total SA, France’s biggest refiner, is in the process of shutting its largest plant in the country, the 247,000-barrel-a-day Gonfreville facility in Normandy, due to a labor dispute

in the Netherlands, retail fuel stations are running out of supplies because of shipping constraints on the Rhine, according to Royal Dutch Shell Plc.
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Update on French protests:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests/champs-el...

For more than two weeks, the “yellow vests” have blocked roads across France in a spontaneous, popular rebellion against diesel tax hikes and the high cost of living.

A week ago thousands of protesters, who have no leader and have largely organized themselves online, converged on Paris for the first time, turning the Champs Elysees into a battlezone as they clashed with police firing tear gas and water canon.

For now, the “yellow vests”- enjoy widespread public support.

The outburst of anti-establishment anger is strongest in rural villages, provincial towns and sprawling city outskirts, and mirrors the disconnect between urban elites and alienated voters that has spurred the rise of populist forces across Europe, in the United States and in Britain’s Brexit vote.

The protest appears to be gaining strength though nowhere near May of 1968. More demands are being made:
https://www.thelocal.fr/20181129/no-fuel-taxes-or-macrons-he...
https://qz.com/1478880/us-workers-would-envy-frances-yellow-...

Will the protests led to a no confidence vote? Changes to trade, taxation, & Paris Climate Accord could be forth coming.
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Macron calls urgent security meeting.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46417991
A government spokesperson said a state of emergency could be imposed to tackle the unrest.

Pictures of unrest in Paris:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-02/france-chaos-macro...

Protest has spread to Belgium:
http://www.startribune.com/brussels-march-mimics-yellow-jack...
Police and hundreds of yellow jacket protesters upset over high taxes and living costs clashed Friday in Brussels. Dozens were detained as the grassroots movement that started in France two weeks ago gained traction in Belgium.

Riot police fired tear gas and water cannons on protesters, who threw rocks and paving stones after they were blocked from approaching government buildings and offices in Brussels.


Globalization has brought winners & losers to the developed world. The working class & lower middle class have been adversely affected increasing the income inequality in these nations. These segments make up significant portion of the populations of these nations. A nation responsibility is ti it’s populous. If no establishment representatives address there economic plight; electoral or societal protests will result. These protests can result in much change in a nation’s trade & economic policy. In the USA NAFTA has been renogotiated, TPP rejected, tariffs instituted. France & Belgium have protests. Some resulting government changes are likely to occur. Will protests spread? What changes to economic & trade policy happen?

http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/america-wealth-inequality/
For the first time in this report series, Allianz calculated each country’s wealth Gini coefficient—a measure of inequality in which 0 is perfect equality and 100 would mean perfect inequality, or one person owning all the wealth.
Yep the US tops the list. But Sweden, UK & Germany are not far behind.

Piketty a few years or so wrote about income inequality in the US. Perhaps he should have looked closer to home.
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Macron calls urgent security meeting.

A government spokesperson said a state of emergency could be imposed to tackle the unrest.


Long live the spirit and adherents of socialism and 'social justice'!

Long live the spirit and adherents of man-made global warming!

Ain't nothin' can't be solved by taxing the bejeebers out of the lowly unwashed commoneers.

No bread? "Then let them eat cake!"

France's situation is well past torches and pitchforks; firearms are just around the corner.
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Piketty a few years or so wrote about income inequality in the US. Perhaps he should have looked closer to home.

I've observed Picketty's biggest critics never read his book.
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Macron calls urgent security meeting.

A government spokesperson said a state of emergency could be imposed to tackle the unrest.

Long live the spirit and adherents of socialism and 'social justice'!

Long live the spirit and adherents of man-made global warming!

Ain't nothin' can't be solved by taxing the bejeebers out of the lowly unwashed commoneers.

No bread? "Then let them eat cake!">>


It's amusing to see our left wing friends be the beneficiaries of their own political style and tactics!

They don't seem to be amused, though. Just not as much fun being on the receiving end.


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<<I've observed Picketty's biggest critics never read his book.>>


Bot at all surprising.

I understand it's quite a boring tome.

So---- have you read it? Or do Picketty's supporters join his opponents in not having read a boring book?



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This entire thread seems an excuse to complain about France rather than a reasonable attempt to discuss macroeconomics. The whole thread should be removed. Nothing of value here.

I have not read Piketty's book.
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This entire thread seems an excuse to complain about France rather than a reasonable attempt to discuss macroeconomics. The whole thread should be removed. Nothing of value here.
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Impact of globalization & immigration has hit France’s working class similar to what has occurred in the USA. And like in the USA the french working feel that they have been ignored by the political establishment elites.

In the USA, the disgruntled elected a president that has scuttled TPP, renegotiated NAFTA, & instituted tariffs. One can only imagine how a disgruntled french working class could possibly effect change in France’s trade policy. Then one must consider whether urban/rural, working class/elites divide caused by globalization has occurred elsewhere in the world. Has any nation found a solution to ameliorate the impact of globalization?


Globalization has brought winners & losers to the developed world. The working class & lower middle class have been adversely affected increasing the income inequality in these nations. These segments make up significant portion of the populations of these nations. A nation responsibility is ti it’s populous. If no establishment representatives address there economic plight; electoral or societal protests will result. These protests can result in much change in a nation’s trade & economic policy. In the USA NAFTA has been renogotiated, TPP rejected, tariffs instituted. France & Belgium have protests. Some resulting government changes are likely to occur. Will protests spread? What changes to economic & trade policy happen?

Yep. Nothing of macroeconomic discussion here. Globalization, income inequality. Bah. Move along nothing to see here.
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Fair enough, tjscott. Your opening posts have significant macroeconomic relevance. My mistake.

It's too bad that some people can't resist the temptation to try and change the conversation into a political argument.

The United States, of course, is having the same problems with the inequality of urban versus rural areas of the country.
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I understand it's quite a boring tome.

So---- have you read it? Or do Picketty's supporters join his opponents in not having read a boring book?


I haven't. But you may notice that I have never, not once, ever cited or quoted Picketty in support/against my arguments.

The reason why I don't comment, unlike Picketty's detractors, is I haven't read it.

Shocking, I know.
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Since I raised the French academic Piketty; what is his solution to income inequality?

https://theeconreview.com/2017/04/05/has-thomas-piketty-solv...
Piketty encourages two pure strategies which are best responses to the problem of inequality:

1-Rise the minimum wage.
2-Progressive taxation of wealth, labor income, & capital gains & income from investments.
“All socialist and welfare state countries use progressive tax systems based on total income and wealth. Piketty thus suggests a progressive global tax on capital to fight inequality around the world.”

Let leave out the global tax on capital as it is very improbable such a tax would be implemented.

1- Makes sense that the minimum wages should be high enough to keep employed persons from being eligibility for social safety net programs. I see 2 problems within the United States. A-there is a wide variation in living costs in US.eg San Francisco vs Alamogordo, NM. Currently some states & cities have taken it upon themselves to rise the minimum wage above the federal minimum wage. EU nations have higher minimum wage than USA and they still have income inequality too. Just how high must the minimum wage be? Globalization, Automation & offshoring of jobs are & have been utilized to keep wages as low as possible. B-there are 8 to 16 million illegal aliens available to work off the books for lower pay thus eliminating jobs available. Making employers responsible via stiff penalties could remedy that situation. But there is zero interest amongst US legislators to change the current immigration system or enforcement of the current immigration laws.

2-First it is unconstitutional to tax wealth/net worth in the USA. Second the US treats labor & capital differently. Capital is taxed roughly at half the rate as income. Should the current taxation be changed? Thirdly the US current taxation system is progressive. Apparently not progressively enough though. EU nations have higher taxation rates than the USA yet they also have income inequality problems also. Just what rate is necessary?

Identifying the problem is easy. Finding establishment legislator willing to make the required changes is not as they & their special interest contributors like the present system just fine. Why not. They are benefiting from the current system. The current system only changes if enough voters are disgruntled & upset with their economic lot. Legislators are the perfect of the law of inertia.
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Piketty encourages two pure strategies which are best responses to the problem of inequality:
1-Rise the minimum wage.
2-Progressive taxation of wealth, labor income, & capital gains & income from investments.
“All socialist and welfare state countries use progressive tax systems based on total income and wealth. Piketty thus suggests a progressive global tax on capital to fight inequality around the world.”
Let leave out the global tax on capital as it is very improbable such a tax would be implemented.
[Emphasis added.]

Thomas Piketty's book, Capital in the Twenty-First Century, is an important analysis of macroeconomic issues that affect the entire world - more so now than at any time since the days of the "robber barons."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)

Piketty's work is well worth reading, if only better to understand the kinds of influences which have produced revolting public behavior as seemingly unrelated as the Arab Spring, current French protests or populist movements in Italy, Eastern Europe, and the United States. His book can be found on Amazon at the following link:

https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Twenty-First-Century-Thomas-P...

If one wishes to be even-handed in considering the macroeconomic influences and implications of extreme and growing wealth disparity, one may find thoughtful criticism of Piketty's thesis in a collection of essays called Anti-Piketty: Capital for the 21st-Century, Edited by Delsol, Lecaussin, & Martin, which can be found at the following link:

https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Piketty-Capital-21st-Century-Emm...

Considering how easily the electronic wealth of any individual can be ascertained by taxing authorities, I am astonished that no global wealth tax has yet been proposed in the manner of Rome's tax assessments in the early days of the Republic.

"Tax in the Early Days of the Roman Repulic
In the early days of the Roman Republic, public taxes consisted of modest assessments on owned wealth and property. The tax rate under normal circumstances was 1% and sometimes would climb as high as 3% in situations such as war. These modest taxes were levied against land, homes and other real estate, slaves, animals, personal items and monetary wealth. Taxes were collected from individuals and, at times, payments could be refunded by the treasury for excess collections. With limited census accuracy, tax collection on individuals was a difficult task at best."

https://www.unrv.com/economy/roman-taxes.php

For the first time in over two millennia, it would be quite possible not only to assess, but also to collect, a tax of 1% or more, without the slightest difficulty in finding exactly where the wealth is stored. The vast majority of liquid and financial wealth is held in electronic accounts around the globe, readily accessible for debit to pay an annual 1% tax at the click of a mouse.

Alternatively, if taxing authorities wish to exempt the poorer classes from electronic asset assessment, they could propose a simple transfer tax or transaction tax on all transactions involving transfers of money exceeding a certain sum in any 365-day period.

A simple declaration of 1% to 3% taxes on any transaction or series of transactions (related or unrelated) exceeding $250,000.00 in any given 365-day period would capture a significant tax benefit from large transactions, while giving individuals and companies making smaller deals an opportunity to spread their transfers over several years and thereby avoiding the tax.

If one were selling one's house (or receiving a significant sum) and were willing to spread the payment over several years, one could avoid the tax altogether. Similarly, a company making a small acquisition or paying a modest stock or financial reward to an executive could avoid the tax by spreading it out.

On the other hand, large financial transactions, bank wires, stock and bond purchases, mergers and acquisitions, lump sum settlements, golden parachutes, and a myriad of other high-dollar transactions could be taxed with just a simple 1% skimmed off the top by a taxing authority. By imposing such taxes on large financial transactions, government could "spread the wealth" and gradually ameliorate the social, health, welfare, and even political problems created or exacerbated by extreme wealth disparity such as Dr. Piketty describes.

Paradoxically, the extreme wealth disparity caused or augmented by "globalism" or complained of by localists and nativists in their diatribes against globalism cannot really be efficiently and effectively remedied without the power of globalist institutions. Until such time as there is a global taxing authority or alliance of governments and bankers, social unrest will threaten to destabilize business and government prerogatives. Eventually, governments will recognize through enlightened self-interest that a global compact of financial reporting (and an overlay of annualized wealth taxation) will enable governments to better meet the needs of their populations and to better retain their power and influence.

Just as Switzerland, Europe, and the United States have found that sharing information about their wealthy bank customers enables each of them to more efficiently extract their respective periodic "pounds of flesh," someday all governments will negotiate similar mutual agreements. At that point, struggles between the warring factions (rural/urban, wealthy/poor) described by Dr. Piketty will be replaced by internecine warfare among the new robber barons, government dignitaries, scions of eminent families, and captains of industry.

If the rich and powerful decide to antagonize each other (or worse, if ambitious or paranoid leaders attack or someone starts a shooting war), even a thoroughly fed, entertained, and coddled general populace can be roused from slumber. After all, "when elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers."

http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199539...

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I am astonished that no global wealth tax has yet been proposed in the manner of Rome's tax assessments in the early days of the Republic.

The Roman republic is quite different from hundreds of sovereign nations, with many cultural differences, each with its ruling individuals & government. Not going to happen.
Just as a previous presidents’ attempt to bring representative government to the Middle East & Asia has failed. Our nation ignored the culture of corruption that was pervasive in the countries we intervened in addition to the ethnic divisions & conflict within those nations.

Piketty’s solutions are ivory tower solutions that don’t to take into account the real situations on the ground. Very similar to US foreign policy that wasted trillions of dollars that could have been better utilized. And a refusal accept that US is pursuing a failed policy means a continuing waste of treasure better expended elsewhere.

Paradoxically, the extreme wealth disparity caused or augmented by "globalism" or complained of by localists and nativists in their diatribes against globalism cannot really be efficiently and effectively remedied without the power of globalist institutions. Until such time as there is a global taxing authority or alliance of governments and bankers, social unrest will threaten to destabilize business and government prerogatives. Eventually, governments will recognize through enlightened self-interest that a global compact of financial reporting (and an overlay of annualized wealth taxation) will enable governments to better meet the needs of their populations and to better retain their power and influence.

Human history is full of enlighten individuals & movements & nations. Eventually they devolve as human greed & avarious behavior reassert itself. The US & France & perhaps now Belgium are testing beds to see if inequality will be successfully addressed. Establishment elites will resist. It will be very messy going forward.

It took decades & much blood spilled for US labor unions to arise & gain influence. And decades for that influence to be chipped away & membership reduced. Globalization & porous US borders & charges of racism are weapons utilized by establishment elites to maintain the status quo.

As a baby boomer born in the US, I’ve been blessed to live in a golden era created by the previous generation. Future generations of the working class & lower middle class are/will have much tougher time. The French worker have a more realistic view on what is required to wrest control from establishment elites.eg aFrench revolution, May 1968...perhaps today’s protests.
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<<Piketty's work is well worth reading, if only better to understand the kinds of influences which have produced revolting public behavior as seemingly unrelated as the Arab Spring, current French protests or populist movements in Italy, Eastern Europe, and the United States. His book can be found on Amazon at the following link:>>


Is this a book you have read yourself?


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The French worker have a more realistic view on what is required to wrest control from establishment elites.eg aFrench revolution, May 1968...perhaps today’s protests.

Maybe not. Each time they thought they had wrested control instead they faced calamity

--> Napoleon and then oppressive royal restoration
--> the horrors of the Paris Commune suppression
--> May 1968 was an empty nothing burger (but fun!)
--> today's looks to me like more of same

The French LOVE big street drama, and will do it with little real hope of anything buy emotional expression and the joy of crowds and brick throwing.


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Maybe not.
Napoléon


As I stated in this thread:
Human history is full of enlighten individuals & movements & nations. Eventually they devolve as human greed & avarious behavior reassert itself.

Napoleon was an opportunist that subverted the revolution. The French people were fully behind him as he rack up victory after victory. The English Navy & Napoleon’s poor judgement (invasion of Spain & Portugal, then Russia) finished him. Sound very familiar to what occurred in Germany-1933-45.

May 1968 was an empty nothing burger
“De Gaulle Gaulle fled to a French military base in Germany, and after returning dissolved the National Assembly, and called for new parliamentary elections for 23 June 1968. Violence evaporated almost as quickly as it arose. Workers went back to their jobs, and when the elections were finally held in June, the Gaullist party emerged even stronger than before.“

May 1968 brought the french economy to a halt. The national government cease to function as government officials were terrified. DeGaulle even fled the country for several hours. A bit more than a nothing burger.
If the current protests leads to new elections i doubt Macron will emerge stronger than before.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968_events_in_France
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French high school students join the protest.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6454033/Riot-police...
At the moment, all high school students who passes their final exams have the right to study any course at their local public university, for a nominal tuition fee.

This has led to some popular courses being oversubscribed and some 60 per cent of French university students do not finish their first year.

President Macron's government want universities to be able to apply admissions criteria and select students on merits such as exam results or entrance exams for some oversubscribed degrees.
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<<The French LOVE big street drama, and will do it with little real hope of anything buy emotional expression and the joy of crowds and brick throwing.


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Teaching their Muhammedian brothers how to do it, I suppose.


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The French LOVE big street drama, and will do it with little real hope of anything buy emotional expression and the joy of crowds and brick throwing.

The French national holiday celebrates a street riot. The US national holiday celebrates educated men in a closed room, signing a piece of paper.

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<<t. The US national holiday celebrates educated men in a closed room, signing a piece of paper.

Steve>>



The US national holiday celebrates educated men in a closed room, pretty much signing a declaration of war against the most powerful empire in the world. They might reasonably expect to be hanged if they were to lose, and perhaps to be hanged, drawn and quartered as traitors.

Not as much fun as throwing rocks and bottles. The stakes were very high.

Both the American and French revolutions are important markers in world history. Perhaps the American revolution inspired the French.

The American revolution began with the high idealism of Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, and stayed on a pretty high plane up to Washington's resignation as Commander in Chief and return to civilian life, often compared to the Cincinnatus in the history of Rome.

The French Revolution began with similar idealism by gentleman with the Declaration of the Rights of man, but soon deteriorated into totalitarianism and terror, leading to the dictatorship of Emperor Napoleon.

The United States was lucky enough to avoid all that. Could have been a lot worse.


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Kicking the can down the road....

Macron's government suspends fuel tax hike for 6 months
www.dw.com/en/macrons-government-suspends-fuel-tax-hike-for-...

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The French national holiday celebrates a street riot. The US national holiday celebrates educated men in a closed room, signing a piece of paper.

The French object of hate was rigth there to tear down. The American object of hate was across the sea. If you don't believe that access had something to do with it, explain American road rage.

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Oh, I don;t know. The Boston Massacre had Redcoat regulars available to be used as a tool against Britain, and the stamp act gave numerous opportunities tom tar and feather British officials.

The "shot heard round the world" sort of tore it.

Where there's a will to be provocative, there's a way.

Liberals are displaying that pretty much every day with their campaign to promote hatred of Trump.


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The French national holiday celebrates a street riot. The US national holiday celebrates educated men in a closed room, signing a piece of paper.

... following a rebellion against your rightful king over who pays for a war ... oh and then there was that little dust up between the states less than 100 years later with ~1.7 million casualties?

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Oh, I don;t know. The Boston Massacre had Redcoat regulars available to be used as a tool against Britain, and the stamp act gave numerous opportunities tom tar and feather British officials.

Yes, we had plenty of riots, from the Boston Tea Party to the Boston Massacre, Lexington and Concord, but those days are not celebrated. Can anyone even recall the dates without looking them up? But rational, civilized men, laying out a formal indictment of egregious royal behavior, are celebrated as the founding of the country.

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Kicking the can down the road....

Macron's government suspends fuel tax hike for 6 months
www.dw.com/en/macrons-government-suspends-fuel-tax-hike-for-......

DB2


Too late. Protesters goal have gone past the carbon tax. Now it’s all taxes, cost of living & economic plight of the less well off. And just yesterday French school student joined the protest over government actions in regard university education.
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But rational, civilized men, laying out a formal indictment of egregious royal behavior, are celebrated as the founding of the country.

Such as asking them to pay taxes for their own defense? }};-D

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French protest highlights a healthcare situation within France.

http://www.unz.com/article/les-gilets-jaunes-a-bright-yellow...
A significant and recurring complaint concerned the matter of health care. France has long had the best public health program in the world, but this is being steadily undermined to meet the primary need of capital: profit. In the past few years, there has been a growing government campaign to encourage, and finally to oblige people to subscribe to a “mutuelle”, that is, a private health insurance plan, ostensibly to fill “the gaps” not covered by France’s universal health coverage. The “gaps” can be the 15% that is not covered for ordinary illnesses (grave illnesses are covered 100%), or for medicines taken off the “covered” list, or for dental work, among other things. The “gaps” to fill keep expanding, along with the cost of subscribing to the mutuelle. In reality, this program, sold to the public as modernizing improvement, is a gradual move toward privatization of health care. It is a sneaky method of opening the whole field of public health to international financial capital investment. This gambit has not fooled ordinary people and is high on the list of complaints by the Gilets Jaunes.

Has the French healthcare system become too expensive for the French government to sustain? Or have the elites sold out the working class?

The protest has grown over a complaint of the carbon tax to a national complain how globalization & immigration has negatively affected a significant portion of the French population. That the existing government has ignored the economic plight of that population.

What is the macro economic impact of the protest.
Short term it is bringing the French economy to a screeching halt.
Long term depends if the protest results in new elections that could possibly result in different political party election & change in government policies including trade. There could be a change in trade policy as big as the UK Brexit vote impacting the EU.

Early days yet. But it appears that the protest may be gaining strength as French high schoolers have joined it with their own complaints.
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Such as asking them to pay taxes for their own defense? }};-D

Some of the articles in the indictment are reflected in the Bill of Rights.

"For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

"For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

"For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_I...

Third Amendment: No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Seventh Amendment: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

Years ago, when I went to the theater to see "Madness of King George", I said something to another person in the theater, with tongue firmly in cheek, about seeing what we raw colonials drove George to. He didn't even know the George the film was about was the one we rebelled against. The film did show George deeply distressed about the revolution.

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Has the French healthcare system become too expensive for the French government to sustain? Or have the elites sold out the working class?

Looks like "protected free speech" is having it's impact on France as well. Certainly, here in the shiny city on a hill, some factions see it as intolerable for any money to flow anywhere, without them being able to get a cut of it.

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https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/04/not-enough-yello...
However, Benjamin Cauchy, who has become a major figure in the Yellow Vest (or Gilets Jaunes) movement, told franceinfo, “We will not be put to sleep by a moratorium, the issues are much wider than that.”

Mr Cauchy also told AFP that “the French do not want crumbs, they want the breadstick in full,” and called for “a new distribution of wealth in France” and the establishment of “regular referendums on major societal issues.”


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Vibe La Revolution! Frigging ipad spelling corrector!
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Thing is, with Macron discredited, the National Front will probably set off pogroms where racial and religious minorities become the scapegoats targeted by the mob, while the "job creator class" continues lining it's pockets.

Despite the failure of Marine Le Pen’s presidential bid, the party’s virulent anti-Muslim message has found a growing audience.

https://www.thenation.com/article/frances-national-front-dea...

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Despite the failure of Marine Le Pen’s presidential bid, the party’s virulent anti-Muslim message has found a growing audience.

https://www.thenation.com/article/frances-national-front-dea......

Steve


No No No

You're way behind on the conspiracy curve. The Muslim threat is old hat.

What has kept the protest going feeding the rage? Facebook. Yep. And who is behind that?
The Russians are the ones! I expect momentarily calls from the US media for Mueller to broaden the Russiangate investigation. Yeppers. The Russian threat has arisen from the ashes! Calls for even more defense spending & new weapon systems. This fold nicely into Ukraine Kerch Strait confrontation.

Muy dinero in the Russian threat.
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I thought the first one was funnier? }};-D

Since I'm here:

We're number one! We're number one!

And I didn't even help out. Odd thing is that the study was done before Pot was legalized? }};-@

Anymouse <Innocent>

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/12/03/halifax-weed-consum...

BUSINESS 12/03/2018 11:32 EST

Halifax Consumes More Than 4 Times As Much Weed As Vancouver: StatCan
Halifax had the highest rate of consumption per capita among five urban areas.


Alex Cooke Canadian Press

HALIFAX — A new study from Statistics Canada draws data from an unexpected source to suggest Halifax has the highest rate of cannabis consumption per capita among five urban centres across the country.
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Previously post by me:
You're way behind on the conspiracy curve. The Muslim threat is old hat.

What has kept the protest going feeding the rage? Facebook. Yep. And who is behind that?
The Russians are the ones! I expect momentarily calls from the US media for Mueller to broaden the Russiangate investigation.


Well I now see this story:
https://www.france24.com/en/20181204-france-yellow-vests-fac...

France's 'Yellow Vests': How Facebook fuels the fight
All over the country, Facebook users who lit the spark have been fanning the flames in real-time.


That didn't take long; though I was wrong about the US media. Will Macron now call for investigation of potential outside influences utilizing Facebook to create social unrest. Yep that's the ticket. Rumors of Russian involvement to follow.
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More on protesters rejection of moratorium of diesel tax.
6 minute video of French cartoons, articles, protester tweets etc. Including the comment that Macron has disappeared from the public eye & left the mess in the French prime minister's lap. Hm Hiding in the Élysées Palace isn't gonna make the protests go away methinks.

https://www.france24.com/en/mediawatch/20181204-yellow-vest-...
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You're way behind on the conspiracy curve. The Muslim threat is old hat.

An angry mob can get it's hands on Muslims. Not many of Putin's cronies sauntering down the streets of France with a big sign on them saying "I'm FSB, kick me".

France's 'Yellow Vests': How Facebook fuels the fight

The French mob can't beat up "Facebook" either.

Macron hasn't made beating up FB a centerpiece of his policies. The National Front, which apparently has now changed it's name, had made xenophobia part of it's policy for years.

Unfortuantely, I am not a native French speaker, like my dad was, so I can't really follow events over there.

Besides, how about that stock market! Not sure if today really counts as a bawoosh as the Dow's drop didn't crack 1,000 points.

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France's 'Yellow Vests': How Facebook fuels the fight

The French mob can't beat up "Facebook" either.

Macron hasn't made beating up FB a centerpiece of his policies.


Stories like is an opportunity to shift focus to potential outside/foreign influence on Facebook. That certainly is a better move than hiding in Élysées Palace.

Sort of like: "Besides, how about that stock market! Not sure if today really counts as a bawoosh as the Dow's drop didn't crack 1,000 points."

One day stock movements just noise. Just checked my stock portfolio:-1.77%. Nothing like Black Monday of 1987. I survived that. Didn't sell any stocks. My portfolio recovered in about a year.
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That certainly is a better move than hiding in Élysées Palace.

Didn't I read that, in 68, de Gaulle left the country to hide? Blaming FB isn't going to satisfy the mob. Remember the US race riots in the 60s? I kept hearing mayors of burning cities blaming "outside agitators" for the riots. Remember H Rap Brown? If Macron points at FB, and LePen points at the Muslims within easy reach, who is going to win?

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Blaming FB isn't going to satisfy the mob.

It certainly sells with Democrats. ;>D
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It certainly sells with Democrats. ;>D

Speak for yourself son.

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Certainly, here in the shiny city on a hill, some factions see it as intolerable for any money to flow anywhere, without them being able to get a cut of it.

Isn't that the rationale behind the tax system everywhere?
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The French worker have a more realistic view on what is required to wrest control from establishment elites.eg aFrench revolution, May 1968...perhaps today’s protests.

Hopefully it won't come to this:
Screenshot of a (fake) Facebook post on December 3, 2018
https://factcheck.afp.com/sites/default/files/styles/adaptat...

French protesters continue to riot despite tax delay, refusing to 'settle for crumbs'

French protesters, continuing their offensive despite the government’s announcement on Tuesday that it would delay increases in energy taxes, are insisting they won’t “settle for crumbs.”

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced a six-month delay in the fuel tax increase, which had been set to begin in January, and a freeze on electricity and natural gas prices until May.

...

The announcement comes just weeks after the country’s most violent riots in decades began on Nov. 17 in response to the government’s attempt to wean consumers off fossil fuels by elevating taxes.

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More at:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/french-protesters-continue-to-...
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<< But rational, civilized men, laying out a formal indictment of egregious royal behavior,>>


I've read it. Sounds like a lot of petty fogging nitpicking, mostly.

The founders wanted to cut loose from Britain and be their own political masters. That's the main reason, as far as I can see.

That's a good enough reason.


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Would this make the head of the government Macron Antoinette?

I read that Macron was talking with an unemployed horticulturist and gestured toward a fancy restaurant across the street. "I could cross the road and find you a job."

The next day at a toll booth occupied by protesters was spray painted "OK MANU, ON TRAVERSE" (OK Manny, we're crossing).

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Would this make the head of the government Macron Antoinette?


The france24 video(further to up the thread) had a political cartoon showing Macron wearing royal purple cape.

Apparently such charges of Macron acting like pharaoh or “reportedly wants to embody a "Jupiterian" vision of the presidency - whereby the president rarely speaks except to issue orders” have occurred since day 1 of his election.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/824137/Emmanuel-Macron-...
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...and a freeze on electricity and natural gas prices until May.

Of course, here in the shiny city on a hill, prices for natural gas and electricity are generally set by the "job creator class", not "big gummit", so we docile sheep whine, then pay the bill as we have no choice if we don't want to shiver in the dark.

Just how much is this "horrible, burdensome, big gummit" tax?

He enacted a gas tax increase in January that is causing prices to pitch upward. French citizens are currently paying $1.73 per liter in American dollars, which is roughly $6.57 per gallon. The bulk of the price comes from oil prices increases – France gets nearly 99 percent of its fuel from imports. But the gas tax increase, enacted in January, is equivalent to up to 25 cents a gallon.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/04/macron-france-gas-taxes/

lessee....two bits on $6.57...less than 4 percent.

Here, the "job creator class" can raise the price of gas a lot more, and USians blame the Arabs, not the "job creators".

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“The French coming Apart” written in spring 2017
https://www.city-journal.org/html/french-coming-apart-15125....
At the heart of Guilluy’s inquiry is globalization. Internationalizing the division of labor has brought significant economic efficiencies. But it has also brought inequalities unseen for a century, demographic upheaval, and cultural disruption. Now we face the question of what—if anything—we should do about it.

A process that Guilluy calls métropolisation has cut French society in two. In 16 dynamic urban areas
These urban areas are home to all the country’s educational and financial institutions, as well as almost all its corporations and the many well-paying jobs that go with them. Here, too, are the individuals—the entrepreneurs and engineers and CEOs, the fashion designers and models, the film directors and chefs and other “symbolic analysts,” as Robert Reich once called them—who shape the country’s tastes, form its opinions, and renew its prestige. Cheap labor, tariff-free consumer goods, and new markets of billions of people have made globalization a windfall for such prosperous places.

Yet economic opportunities for those unable to prosper in Paris are lacking elsewhere in France.


A very familiar picture n’est pas? The above picture is mirrored here in the USA. Of course, Politicians & policy experts believe the economic opportunity are easily transferred to the hinterland (i’m giving them the benefit of the doubt; the cynical part of me believe they don’t give a rat’s *ss). The author of the piece doesn’t believe that is possible. And I agree with him.

If he is right, we can understand why every major Western country has seen the rise of political movements taking aim at the present system.
Which explains US 2016 election result & now protests in France & Belgium.

Much more at the link going in depth about present day France.
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The French national holiday celebrates a street riot. The US national holiday celebrates educated men in a closed room, signing a piece of paper.

... following a rebellion against your rightful king over who pays for a war ...


Rightful? Says who?

The greedy king who tried to squeeze a few extra pennies out of the colonists?

The American Deceleration of Independence is recognized world wide as one a deceleration of human rights and freedom with several countries modeling their founding documents after it.

“More than half of the 192 countries now represented at the United Nations have a founding document that can be called a declaration of independence”
- David Armitage in his essay The Declaration of Independence in Global Perspective
http://declarationofindependencehistory.weebly.com/global-in...
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But rational, civilized men, laying out a formal indictment of egregious royal behavior, are celebrated as the founding of the country.

Such as asking them to pay taxes for their own defense?


BBBBBBBBZZZZZZZTTTT! Wrong answer.

The Colonies proved they were quite capable of defending themselves ... from the British.

The Townshend Acts were a series of British Acts of Parliament passed during 1767 and 1768 and relating to the British in North America.

...

The purposes of the Townshend Acts were

To raise revenue in the colonies to pay the salaries of governors and judges so that they would remain loyal to Great Britain

To create more effective means of enforcing compliance with trade regulations

To punish the Province of New York for failing to comply with the 1765 Quartering Act

To establish the precedent that the British Parliament had the right to tax the colonies [2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townshend_Acts

There were several other reasons for the Townshend Acts follow the above link if you want to read them.
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Doings in Belgium.
https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/30/france-s-gilets-jaunes-p...

Like in France, the Belgian yellow vests are asking for lower taxes and more purchasing power. Some also want their leader gone:

https://www.euronews.com/2016/04/05/truckers-and-farmers-blo...
Truckers and farmers block Belgian roads in tax protest
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-tax/franc...

His government indicated earlier that it could also amend a wealth tax that Macron shrank last year to cover only real estate assets, earning him criticism as the “president of the rich”.


Establishment elites ain’t gonna like that!
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The American Deceleration of Independence is recognized world wide as one a deceleration of human rights and freedom

Did you really intend to say "deceleration" as in reduce the speed or rate of independence and human rights?

Steve...so hard to tell the typos from the snark some times.
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Protest to expand to Amsterdam this weekend.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/12/dutch-yellow-jackets-p...
The French ‘yellow jackets’ protest movement has blown into the Netherlands, with several small demos taking place last weekend and plans for an official demonstration outside Amsterdam’s city hall next Saturday. One group on Facebook, which calls itself Gele Hesjes NL, has over 17,000 members and describes itself as being a citizens’ movement, protesting about high prices. ‘We are a campaign group which opposes violence’, the Facebook page states.

FACEBOOK!
I KNEW it! The friggin Russkis!
Time to call out NATO to hold more military exercises along the Russian border! This can NOT stand!
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Macron scraps diesel tax.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-leadin...

An official with the Elysee palace told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the president decided to get rid of the tax.

And as noted previously he has increased the wealth tax.

Will it be enough to save his government?
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While wandering on the internet; I ran across this:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/907719/Macron-France-vote-...
Macron admits France would vote to LEAVE EU if country held referendum

No other European Union country has risked putting membership of the bloc to a public vote since Britain surprised member-states by voting to leave the bloc in 2016,
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http://time.com/5472304/france-yellow-vests-macron-fragile/

Voters seemed to like Macron enough when he won the presidency in May 2017 with 66% of the vote in a runoff against the far-right candidate Marine Le Pen. But Eddy Fougier, a political analyst at the Paris-based Institute for International and Strategic Affairs, says his support was driven by disappointment at the two parties that have led France for decades and fear of the far right. “He was elected largely by default.”

Soon after taking office he scrapped the so-called wealth tax, which had been imposed on taxpayers with assets worth more than € 1.3 million ($1.47 million). At the same time, he hiked taxes on retirees.


The above actions gave validity to charges Macron was a tool of the wealthy establishment elites. The diesel tax was the final straw the French working class.

Buyer’s remorse for the French voter. In a parliamentary system though there can be a call of no confidence which can result in new election & change which party will control France. Such a change could effect France’s trade policy. Perhaps even calls to put to a public vote whether France should remain in the EU.
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French union join protest.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Nationwide protests against French President Emmanuel Macron took on an even bigger dimension Wednesday after trade unions and farmers vowed to join the fray, unimpressed by government concessions that tried to stem the momentum of the most violent demonstrations France has seen in a decade.
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1055152/Macron-news-fra...

Now BFMTV says left-wing parties within the French parliament have agreed to discuss a no confidence vote against Mr Macron’s government. The French Communist Party and the Socialist Party are leading the rebellion.

I assume Le Pen party will be joining in to support the no confidence vote.
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Protests continue.
https://www.france24.com/en/20181208-live-hundreds-detained-...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46492070
Tear gas, burning vehicles, mass arrests. The beat goes on.

The same is occurring in Belgium & the Netherlands today.

https://www.apnews.com/c0afb781cc074df88e40f1a2bd61ed92
Belgian police fired tear gas and water cannons at yellow-vested protesters calling for the resignation of Prime Minister Charles Michel after they tried to breach a riot barricade, as the movement that started in France made its mark Saturday in Belgium and the Netherlands.

Within the US, a newly elected congresswoman from New York see Global Warming as a way to push “Economic & Social & Racial Justice” agenda.
W]e can use the transition to 100 percent renewable energy as the vehicle to truly deliver and establish economic, social and racial justice in the United States of America,”
https://news.grabien.com/story-ocasio-cortez-inevitable-glob...
https://www.bdtonline.com/cnhi_network/dem-leader-infrastruc...
Dem leader: Infrastructure bills must tackle climate change
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/419564-ocasio-...
Fighting climate change will be ‘the civil rights movement of our generation’

No details on what the new majority will propose. So I cannot yet predict what effect such a agenda will have on the economy or potential civil unrest.
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I remember when Obamacare was being debated. People came over here and made all kinds of predictions

None were even close. It was only when the bill was passed and signed that Steve made the prediction and the investment, that health insurance companies would crush the market.

They did.

Remember! There are not a good and bad team on capital hill. They are the same team wearing differnet costumes.

What they talk about, what you hear is no more than “Over There” and “Yankee Doodle Dandy” a way to separate you from your life for the enrichement of someone else.

However, my guess is that there will be some significant problems in the equities market starting sooner than later. The Mungofitch date is sometime in February and the SPX daily has made or is near to making the cross of death.

Cash, warm fuzzy cash is something to have right now. I would say if younhave any idea you will need, or even strongly desire to spend cash on something, like a car, house vacation, ribeye steak, in the next 5 years it should be in a CD or under your mattress.

Cheers
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Within the US, a newly elected congresswoman from New York see Global Warming as a way to push “Economic & Social & Racial Justice” agenda.

And inevitably it will be her fur-brained, fuzzy thinking advocates who will be donning 'yellow vests' and replicating the spectacle we are witnessing 'over there'. Idiocy to the nth power.

How many times must moronic thought processes and elitist dictates be promulgated before folks catch on? Even those whose ability with critical thinking is barely discernible.

The future is not bright. Given history, it appears that there will be no end.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46499996
The "yellow vest" protests have been "a catastrophe" for the French economy, the finance minister says.
France has seen four consecutive weekends of demonstrations against fuel tax rises, high living costs and other issues.
How bad is the economic damage?
It is too early to calculate the full economic cost - but it's clear the damage is severe.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46502585
What is President Macron planning to do?
At 10:00 local time (09:00 GMT) on Monday, he will meet representatives of five major trade unions and three employers' organisations, as well as local officials.


Well we see if any compromise can be reached to end the economic stagnation.
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<<The "yellow vest" protests have been "a catastrophe" for the French economy, the finance minister says.
France has seen four consecutive weekends of demonstrations against fuel tax rises, high living costs and other issues.
How bad is the economic damage?
It is too early to calculate the full economic cost - but it's clear the damage is severe.>>



Oh, dear. Rather than a cornucopia of new taxes, the French government is seeing a cut in tax revenue.

Life is so unfair for government ministers.



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On 12/4/2018 @ 3:49pm I posted:
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Well I now see this story:
https://www.france24.com/en/20181204-france-yellow-vests-fac......

France's 'Yellow Vests': How Facebook fuels the fight
All over the country, Facebook users who lit the spark have been fanning the flames in real-time.

That didn't take long; though I was wrong about the US media. Will Macron now call for investigation of potential outside influences utilizing Facebook to create social unrest. Yep that's the ticket. Rumors of Russian involvement to follow.
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In today’s news:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-08/pro-russi...

France to Probe Possible Russian Influence on Yellow Vest Riots

Yeppers. Nothing to do with globization, income inequality or immigration. Nor Macron’s cutting wealth taxes for rich & raising diesel fuel & increasing taxes on pensioners. The Russians are coming!
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Macron addressed the French Nation & makes promises.

https://www.apnews.com/e3788b2dc7b14229be0eaadc7cc8b450
He responded to several of the protesters’ demands, promising measures that included:

-a government-funded 100-euro increase in the minimum wage starting at the beginning of the new year

-the abolition of taxes on overtime pay in 2019

-asking profit-making companies to give workers tax-free year-end bonuses

-slashing a tax hike on small pensions, acknowledging it was “unjust.”


Will it be enough?

I think it might be as we are nearing Christmas. And there is the question how long can the working class remain out of work and no pay?

I do note that the cut in the wealth tax remains.
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-a government-funded 100-euro increase in the minimum wage starting at the beginning of the new year

So, the government pays, rather than the "job creator class"

-the abolition of taxes on overtime pay in 2019

One year tax relief for working people, vs permanent tax cuts for the "job creator class"

-asking profit-making companies to give workers tax-free year-end bonuses

One year payout, subsidized by the government, for working people vs permanent tax cuts for the "job creator class"

-slashing a tax hike on small pensions, acknowledging it was “unjust.”

Which benefits a minority of the population, and, at that, not the age group that is in the streets.

Sounds very much like the sort of tax "reform" we get in the US.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46513189
The proposals were dismissed by one yellow vest protester, Benjamin Cauchy, who told France 2 TV: "These are half measures. We feel that Macron has got a lot more to give."
His political opponents were also critical: left-wing leader Jean-Luc Melenchon said he expected more protests, right-wing politician Eric Woerth described the moves as a "short-term" solution, and far-right leader Marine Le Pen said Mr Macron had addressed some but not all of his mistakes.


Early responses indicate Macron’s are insufficirnt.
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Krap!
Early responses indicate Macron’s CONCESSIONS are insufficient.
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Some protesters say “no sales!”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46522628
Police sources told French TV news channel BFMTV that 170 protests were still taking place on Tuesday, involving 45 road blockades and fewer than 2,000 people.
The most receptive response to Mr Macron's speech came from Jacline Mouraud, 51, whose viral video complaining about fuel taxes is thought to have kick-started the yellow-vest movement.
"We now have to get out of this crisis," she said.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/egypt-restricts-sale-...

Egypt restricts sale of yellow vests amid fear of protests
Restrictions imposed to ward off France-style protests ahead of the anniversary of Egypt's 2011 uprising.

An Egyptian prosecutor ordered the arrest of a lawyer after the publication of a picture of him wearing a yellow vest similar to those worn by protesters in France, a local rights activist said.


Establishment elites worry about yellow vest protests.
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Establishment elites worry about yellow vest protests.

Perhaps a different colour?

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_10?url=search-alia...
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Economist Tyler Cowen, a Macron supporter, looks at the malaise plaguing first world developed nations. He nails it. But he has no solution. And i suspect neither does anyone else because it is about the decline of the West’s power & status. No way to bring that back.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-12/macron...

But here’s the problem: The West is experiencing a loss of relative status, due to diminished power and influence. Western societies, including France, are being transformed by immigration beyond what many of their native-born citizens had expected. The rising prominence of terror, migration and security issues have boosted some of the less salubrious sides of the right wing. Add to that mix wage stagnation and the increasingly common view — held by 91 percent in France — that today’s children will not have better lives than their parents. Finally, the decline of organized religion, especially pronounced in Western Europe, has created a spiritual vacuum and a crisis of meaning.

My bolded sentences are key.

The US reign as the world’s sole superpower has been cut short by the rise of China. China’s long range strategy thinking & predatory trade policies have been a one-two punch to the costly US’s Perpetual War agenda projection of power which has demonstrated US weakness. The divisiveness of the US has also resulted in a failure to implement infrastructure improvement within the USA adding fuel to the rise of China. US real GDP growth has been subpar since 2000. US political & economic strategy is short term & reactive rather than inspirational & foreword thinking.

Citizens will put up with a lot if their situation results in a better life for their children. Take that away; Katie bar the door!. Parents will rise & demand change to protect their children’s. But perhaps there is no solution. The rise of less developed nations & improvement of world reduction of poverty comes at a cost. And that cost is the decline of the West’s working class economic situation.
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Establishment elites worry about yellow vest protests.

I'm thinking about buying one for safety when I am taking walks for physical rehab. You'd be amazed how many people are striken by cars each year - even away from the curb on a sidewalk.

A yellow vest makes it difficult for a driver to miss seeing you - unless they're texting behind the wheel, that is.

Whatever protest group one supports, one would be wise to suggest they immediately rush out and have a gathering and protest with yellow vests. Otherwise, some other special interest group may "beat them to the punch."

It seems that whichever group in a given area is first to utilize the yellow vest as a protest tool will be the group able to claim such clothing as their local "trademark" or "trade dress."

The yellow vest really is a brilliant "look" for protesters to co-opt. Kudos to the French for once again setting a style standard or fashion statement.

;-)
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<<Citizens will put up with a lot if their situation results in a better life for their children. Take that away; Katie bar the door!. Parents will rise & demand change to protect their children’s. But perhaps there is no solution. The rise of less developed nations & improvement of world reduction of poverty comes at a cost. And that cost is the decline of the West’s working class economic situation.>>



Good post.

But even if the working class in the United States is doomed to decline, there is a BIG difference between regretting it and doing what you can to ameliorate the issues and problems, as Trump is doing. and celebrating, encouraging and subsidizing that decline as liberals have been doing for decades, such as in pretty much any element of the fossil fuel industry.

Trump isn't bringing back the coal industry, but neither is he digging a grave for that industry while it's still alive and kicking, and impatient for the corpse to jump into the grave.


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A family member who has lived in France for decades summarized the source of the gilets jaunes protests in one sentence: "The government stopped listening to the people 20 years ago. It would be difficult to deny the generalization of this: many if not most governments stopped listening to their people decades ago, preferring instead to listen to financial and political elites and entrenched cultural elites who view commoners with disdain.

Legions of commentators are weighing in on the economic and cultural sources of France's distemper. Many have characterized the protests as working class , broadly speaking, the multitudes who have seen an erosion in the purchasing power of their wages or pensions while France's financial, political and cultural elites have feasted on whatever meager gains the French economy has registered in the past 20 years.


The same could said for the US with exception that the establishment elites haven’t been listening for 30 years.
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The same could said for the US with exception that the establishment elites haven’t been listening for 30 years.

Closer to 40 years, ever since trickle down economics deified the "job creators".

Steve
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<<The same could said for the US with exception that the establishment elites haven’t been listening for 30 years.

Closer to 40 years, ever since trickle down economics deified the "job creators".

Steve>>



It's been fifty years since Nixon championed "the silent majority."


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It's been fifty years since Nixon championed "the silent majority."

"Will it play in Peoria" is a long way from saying "the rich should have all the money", which I heard trickle down advocate Jack Kemp say.

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Good article in Rolling Stone titled “The French Protests Do Not Fit a Tidy Narrative”.
Main stream media write about the protesters being right, left, or populist when in reality it is about class:working class vs elites.

And just like the failed War agenda; western elites through globalization & immigration policy have irreparably damage their nations. And destroyed the working class belief in their leaders & governments.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-12/macron...
But here’s the problem: The West is experiencing a loss of relative status, due to diminished power and influence. Western societies, including France, are being transformed by immigration beyond what many of their native-born citizens had expected. The rising prominence of terror, migration and security issues have boosted some of the less salubrious sides of the right wing. Add to that mix wage stagnation and the increasingly common view — held by 91 percent in France — that today’s children will not have better lives than their parents. Finally, the decline of organized religion, especially pronounced in Western Europe, has created a spiritual vacuum and a crisis of meaning.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/fran...

Over and over, a daft political class paternalistically implements changes more to the benefit of donors than voters, then repeatedly is baffled when they prove unpopular.
See: NAFTA, the creation of the WTO and GATT, deregulation of the banking sector, multiple unnecessary wars, tax holidays and other corporate subsidies like bans on drug re-importation, mass construction of prisons during an era of sharply declining crime (coupled with broad non-enforcement of white-collar offenses), and so on.
These policies came gift-wrapped in assurances. NAFTA was to produce one million new jobs* in the first five years. The WTO was supposed to add $1,700 to every family’s income, every year. The 2004 tax holiday, which slashed taxes on $299 billion in offshored profits, would create 500,000 jobs, corporate leaders (and the George W. Bush administration) promised.
The op-ed pages in the late Eighties, Nineties and 2000s were full of chest-thumping editorials about how the global economy was making social problems a thing of the past.
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<<These policies came gift-wrapped in assurances. NAFTA was to produce one million new jobs* in the first five years. The WTO was supposed to add $1,700 to every family’s income, every year. The 2004 tax holiday, which slashed taxes on $299 billion in offshored profits, would create 500,000 jobs, corporate leaders (and the George W. Bush administration) promised.>>


Hey, these predictions were just as good as the ones on global warming!

You know, its TOUGH making predictions, especially about the future.


(Not really, only making predictions that actually happen.)


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You know, its TOUGH making predictions, especially about the future.

I dunno, Ross Perot believed the giant sucking sound one would hear was all the jobs lost & headed toward Mexico.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W3LvZAZ-HV4
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Protest to continue. Yellow vests haven’t yet been bought off.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20181214/police-preparing-for-more-y...

Paris and cities around France are once again gearing up for another Saturday of "yellow vest" protests which on previous weekends have been marred by severe violence, looting and ransacking of shops. Police will once again be out in force.
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You know, its TOUGH making predictions, especially about the future.

I predict this thread will hit 100 posts, I won't be here.

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I predict this thread will hit 100 posts, I won't be here.

Anymouse


This thread will go on til the class conflict in France comes to some resolution. The resolution will have an effect on the French economy which will at least affect the EU. Mebbe even the world economy. I certainly have an interest in it as perhaps it could be utilized within the US.

Early on there was an attempt to drag the thread to the bathtub to drown it.

Significant portions of some Western developed nation’s(*) populations have been negatively effected by globalization & immigration. While globalization has been important to reducing world poverty; it’s been done on the backs of the working class. And the economic fortune of these workers & more rural areas have not bounced back. And now they are tire of waiting & are demanding some relief.
It appears the US solution was to ignore the problem. After all the increased rise of suicides of the middle age working class will ultimately solve the problem & improve & reduce the load on social security & medicare programs. It just a matter of time til that segment of the population is electorally not important.

*even in Canada. 25% have indicated they have been negatively affected by globalization. And nearly 50% question whether immigration is beneficial to Canada.
http://abacusdata.ca/globalization-technology-immigration-an...
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You know, its TOUGH making predictions, especially about the future.

I dunno, Ross Perot believed the giant sucking sound one would hear was all the jobs lost & headed toward Mexico.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W3LvZAZ-HV4


What's really hard is making predictions that conform, simultaneously, to a proven-false ideology and to reality.
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Yellow vest protest moves to Israel.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-we-need-to-lear...

Emulating fluorescent traffic-safety vests worn by protesters in France, demonstrations set to take place Friday in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv over the recent increase in food items and utilities.


The time has come to learn from the French. We’re done being nice,” the protest organizers said in a statement
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French protest is diminishing yet still potent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46577598

"Yellow vest" protesters have gathered in Paris and other cities for a fifth consecutive Saturday of demonstrations.
Protesters defied a government call to suspend the action following Tuesday's attack on Strasbourg's Christmas market where a gunman killed four people.
However, fewer people turned up - 66,000 altogether, officials said, compared to 125,000 last Saturday.
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Hungary joins the protest party.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hungary-sees-another-day-anti-gov...

Several thousand people marched through Hungary's capital Sunday in a fourth day of demonstrations against new laws that critics say restrict workers' rights and undermine democracy.

The labor code amendments that sparked the protests increase the maximum number of overtime hours that companies can demand from workers in a year from 250 to 400. The changes, intended to offset Hungary's growing labor shortage, also give employers up to three years instead of 12 months to settle payments of accrued overtime.
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Yellow Vests & Middle Class Downward MobilitY
https://boards.fool.com/yellow-vests-middle-class-downward-m...
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NOW police unions are fed up. Wonder if they will go on strike?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/france-unions-urge-work-slowdo...
After five straight weekends of disruptive and sometimes violent protests across France, police are taking a turn expressing anger at the French government.

Two police unions complained Monday about working conditions and what they said were strained resources as officers have been sent in to clear road blockades and to control trouble-makers at street demonstrations bent on provoking them.
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NOW police unions are fed up. Wonder if they will go on strike?

Coal miners are on strike, but that is to protest a 2020 closure plan.

French coal plant strike at Cordemais extended to December 21
www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/latest-news/coal/...

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Police begin to protest.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20181218/french-police-call-to-block...

Police unions are calling on officers to picket France’s police stations...

Police in France have repeatedly warned about fatigue and frustration seeping into the ranks in recent years and it appears the month-long and often violent yellow vest protests has pushed them over the edge.

They have already warned the government that they are at breaking point and on Wednesday they will launch their own protest movement, which has earned them the title "les gilets bleus" - the blue vests, after the protective body gear that they wear.


Mon Dieu!
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Is the French mob ungovernable?

https://theconversation.com/shockwaves-from-french-yellow-ve...

Jacques Chirac abandoned his welfare reforms in 1995 when rail workers mounted sustained strikes. Nicolas Sarkozy diluted his plans to raise the pension age in 2010 for the same reason.

Those flip-flops cemented the perception that France was incapable of meaningful reforms and hobbled both presidents.
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Belgium prime minister loses no confidence vote. Resigns.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/748862/belgium-p...

Newly elected congresswomen on yellow vest protest.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/422286-ocasio-cortez-on-f...

Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Thursday that "just solutions will come from the bottom up" in reference to France's "yellow vests" protests.

"People are starting to realize our issues aren’t left and right, but top and bottom. And the just solutions will come from the bottom-up


Vive le révolution!
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Newly elected congresswomen on yellow vest protest.
Vive le révolution!


Believe it or not, when I ordered a few items for Christmas last week from Amazon, I also ordered a bright yellow construction worker's vest such as those worn by protesters in France.

I predict that quite a few Americans besides myself think one might come in handy in the coming year.

Even if I never get to wear it to a protest, I'm sure it could be loaned or given to someone I know for safety purposes.

;-)
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Believe it or not, when I ordered a few items for Christmas last week from Amazon, I also ordered a bright yellow construction worker's vest such as those worn by protesters in France.

I predict that quite a few Americans besides myself think one might come in handy in the coming year.


If nothing else, it would be a good Halloween costume.
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Yellow vest protests have allowed Italy to:stimulate the economy by giving money to the poor, lowering taxes and increasing public investment.
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/21/the-euro-establishment...
Since mid-September, the European Commission, the EU’s executive body, has been battling with Italy over its budget.
With an assist from financial markets that are penalizing Italian government bonds, the Commission has been threatening an “excessive deficit procedure” if Italy doesn’t reduce spending and resume measures to balance its budget. In theory this austerity policy will make the country more stable and efficient. But the last 10 years have demonstrated that cutting the budget and raising taxes have depressed economic activity, with the effect of making people poorer.


Italy is trying something different as austerity hasn’t worked.

It is indisputable that cooperation has helped bring European nations together since the end of World War II, yet it is also clear that the neoliberal policies introduced in the 1990s, starting with massive budget cuts and the opening of numerous sectors to speculative capital through privatization and liberalization, changed the nature of Europe, cementing the power of the “free market,” pro-globalization consensus that has produced negative effects for so many.

Does this mean the EU will move away from globalization? Or will EU members be unable to come to agreement & the EU becomes no more?
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1062382/portugal-protes...
Yellow Vest protest spreads to Portugal as unrest against EU governments boils over

Plans by yellow vest to continue 6th week of protest in France.
https://www.thelocal.fr/20181221/yellow-vests-act-vi-what-th...

A lot of unhappy folks in the EU. The status quo has been disrupted. Just what will the result of the yellow vest protests be? An EU move away from globalization? The break up of the EU?
Apparently making rich people richer doesn't actually fix what's broken, it only makes the problems worse.
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6th week of French protest.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46660194

More than 38,000 demonstrators were protesting at 18:00 throughout the country compared with 66,000 last Saturday, the interior ministry said.

17 November: 282,000 protesters - one dead, 409 injured - 73 in custody
24 November: 166,000 protesters - 84 injured - 307 in custody
1 December: 136,000 protesters - one dead, 263 injured - 630 in custody
8 December: 136,000 protesters - 118 injured - 1,220 in custody
15 December: 66,000 protesters - 7 injured (in Paris) - 115 in custody (in Paris)


Christmas lull? Or last week of protest? Winter weather now favors Macron.
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NOW police unions are fed up. Wonder if they will go on strike?

WoW! Talk about a picture being worth 1000 words.

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/conte...
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Joschka Fischer was German Foreign Minister and Vice Chancellor from 1998-2005.

Herr Fischer opines on yellow vests.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/europe-2019-cri...
the movement also comprises strong “identitarian” elements that have seized on feelings of discontent over the loss of traditional ways of life in the age of globalization and European integration. As in most Western countries, these sentiments are concentrated among traditional working- and middle-class voters who have concluded that the post-war social contract is invalid. Hard work no longer ensures economic security and upward mobility.

Western elites will not regain the public’s trust until they offer a response to this loss of trust, without which democracy and its core institutions will not be able to function. Complicating matters further, the global balance of power is quickly shifting from West to East, the climate crisis is intensifying, new digital technologies are revolutionizing how we live and work, and migration and refugee waves are adding fuel to the populist backlash.
But if populist forces have a plan that would enable their object of desire – the traditional nation-state – to address these mounting challenges, they have kept it a secret. In reality, only a united Europe is up to the task, which is why next year’s European elections are so important. If populism wins, Europe loses.


The elections he refers to is for the European parliment. Fischer recognizes what is driving the disgruntlement of significant portions of the European populous. And has a good point in that the yellow vests do not have a plan to address their concerns. But then leaps to the idea that the populous-nationalist victory means Europe loses. Well Herr Fischer the globalist vision push by the establishment elites, of which you are one, is the cause of the uprising. The population of Europe did leave it in your hands. And they are unhappy. And so yes those that benefited from the past policy will lose out financially. Could it be that the economically afflicted wish to spread the pain of their suffering to the entire nation? Methinks yes. Its a wake up call for change. Macron has offered a bandaid. We’ll see if they are sufficient. I suspect they are not.
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Yellow vest to bring in the new year by protesting. Week 7.
Persistent effers ain’t they?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/french-yellow-ves...
PARIS: The "yellow vest" anti-government protests that have rocked France will be held on Saturday and New Year's Eve, and continue into 2019, several sources in the movement said on Thursday (Dec 27).
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Yellow vest to bring in the new year by protesting. Week 7.
PARIS: The "yellow vest" anti-government protests that have rocked France will be held on Saturday and New Year's Eve, and continue into 2019, several sources in the movement said on Thursday (Dec 27).


Tjscott0,

I recently bought a yellow safety vest on Amazon for $4.95, adding it to other stuff I was ordering so it would be delivered free of charge.

I actually have assembled all of the following items and store them on an emergency shelf in the basement:

1. Yellow safety vest.

2. Black turtle neck, ski mask, pants, and shoes.

3. Red trucker's cap and plaid shirt.

4. Pink Puddy Hat.

In the event that Yellow Vest protesters, Antifa warriors, Tea Partiers, or Nasty Women ever storm my neighborhood with torches, pitchforks, rocks, or angry fists, I am prepared to don the appropriate uniform and pass safely through enemy lines.

;-)

'Hound [Only half-kidding]
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In the event that Yellow Vest protesters, Antifa warriors, Tea Partiers, or Nasty Women ever storm my neighborhood with torches, pitchforks, rocks, or angry fists, I am prepared to don the appropriate uniform and pass safely through enemy lines.

;-)

'Hound [Only half-kidding]


Not too worry. US municipalities have militaristic SWAT teams riding in MRAPs to unleash upon the rabble in the initial stage that can be backed up by the National Guard. (Only half-kidding)
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46745656

Eric Drouet, one of the leading public figures in France's yellow vests protests, was arrested for a second time late on Wednesday, prompting claims of police harassment.

The number of protesters turning out in Paris each weekend has gradually declined.


So will Drouet’s arrest dampen or energize the yellow vest resistance?
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“So will Drouet’s arrest dampen or energize the yellow vest resistance?”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/03/arrest-yellow-ve...

The arrest of a figurehead of the “yellow vest” anti-government protest movement provoked defiant calls for “harder” demonstrations and outrage among French far-Left and far-Right leaders on Thursday.

Oops!. Not well played Mac. Week 8 since protest began.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4814180/french-people-unhappy-mac...

Three-quarters of French people are unhappy with the way President Emmanuel Macron and his government are running the country, with a majority keen to see more measures to boost household incomes, a poll showed on Thursday.
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https://www.ft.com/content/2633b1c6-103d-11e9-acdc-4d9976f15...

French President Emmanuel Macron’s administration on Friday took a hard line against the demonstrators who have staged weekend invasions of Paris over the past two months, accusing the remaining protesters of being agitators “who seek insurrection and basically want to overthrow the government”.

Hm I suppose this means the truncheons are laid down & the ammunition is passed out. Ah well shooting few won’t hurt his popularity much.

Mr Macron remains unpopular, with the latest opinion poll conducted this week showing only 25 per cent of the French were happy the government since his election.
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Thanks for these updates, tj

- Pete
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Protester attendance picked up a smidge & violence escalated.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/05/europe/france-protests/in...

About 50,000 people demonstrated, according to Interior Minister Christophe Castaner. Large gatherings were held in Paris, Bordeaux and Marseille.

Benjamin Griveaux, government spokesman, confirmed that he and his team had to evacuate his office in Paris after demonstrators broke into his courtyard by knocking down the door with construction machinery

Violence was reported in Montpellier and Troyes, where demonstrators tried to enter prefectures, and in Avignon, where some attempted to break into the Court of Justice. Violence was also reported in Beauvais, authorities said.

They have morphed from dissent over rising gas prices and eco-taxes into a broader demonstration against President Emmanuel Macron and his government, and tensions between the metropolitan elite and rural poor.

Last weekend, an estimated 32,000 protesters took to the streets.
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I wonder if/how Russia is involved as the demonstrations seem to support the same sort of strategy they have fostered in the US (supporting Trump in 2016 election), the UK (supporting Brexit), Ukraine's elections and elsewhere. I don't want to become a paranoid finding Russians hiding everywhere, but on the other hand ...

Jeff
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I wonder if/how Russia is involved as the demonstrations seem to support the same sort of strategy they have fostered in the US (supporting Trump in 2016 election), the UK (supporting Brexit), Ukraine's elections and elsewhere. I don't want to become a paranoid finding Russians hiding everywhere, but on the other hand ...

Jeff


Go to December 4th on this thread.
Steve quoted an article:”Despite the failure of Marine Le Pen’s presidential bid, the party’s virulent anti-Muslim message has found a growing audience.”

Ah racism & alt-right. I responded:
“No No No

You're way behind on the conspiracy curve. The Muslim threat is old hat.

What has kept the protest going feeding the rage? Facebook. Yep. And who is behind that?
The Russians are the ones! I expect momentarily calls from the US media for Mueller to broaden the Russiangate investigation. Yeppers. The Russian threat has arisen from the ashes! Calls for even more defense spending & new weapon systems. This fold nicely into Ukraine Kerch Strait confrontation.

Muy dinero in the Russian threat.”

Then later i found
https://www.france24.com/en/20181204-france-yellow-vests-fac...
France's 'Yellow Vests': How Facebook fuels the fight
All over the country, Facebook users who lit the spark have been fanning the flames in real-time.

My opinion on that:
“That didn't take long; though I was wrong about the US media. Will Macron now call for investigation of potential outside influences utilizing Facebook to create social unrest. Yep that's the ticket. Rumors of Russian involvement to follow.”

I was ahead of the curve. On December 10 @ 12:14pm i post links to articles that French government was investigating possible Russian influence on yellow vests.
My response to that information:
“Yeppers. Nothing to do with globization, income inequality or immigration. Nor Macron’s cutting wealth taxes for rich & raising diesel fuel & increasing taxes on pensioners. The Russians are coming!”
I forgot to mention the eroding French healthcare system. The article about that is upthread December 4 @ 12:27pm.

In addition here is a short 3 minute you tube video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4otroKOb3b8&t=6s
MIT economic David Autor. He talks about globalization effect on the income growth in nations & decline of poverty worldwide. But also globalization brought income inequality to most of the nations of the world. And that inequality has brought forth a lot of anger and has & likely will result in political & economic consequence.

And i do not believe this story is going away. Though establishment elites in France & elsewhere wish it would. The French arrest of a yellow vest had a nasty backlash. And Macron proposed concessions are considered too little. Also likely sticking in the yellow vest craw is that Macron cut the wealth tax benefiting the “rich” upon election and refuses to end the cut.
https://www.newsweek.com/macron-yellow-vests-tax-riots-gover...

Stay tune more developments are likely to follow.
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You're way behind on the conspiracy curve. The Muslim threat is old hat.

On the other hand, a former coworker of mine posted on FB a couple days ago, a screed claiming France was on the brink of civil war over Muslims.

These other countries don't seem to have the effective propaganda channels that the US has. "Occupy Wall St" was quickly crushed. Now, anti-fasicist demonstrators are dismissed as violent street thugs.

If the yellow vests were in the US, the media would have been in full song against them and the mass protests would be gone.

Speaking of propaganda, I haven't seen one single anti-e-cig piece on the "news" since Altria bought it's position in Juul on December 20th. Yes, it's only been a couple weeks, so far, but it's interesting, given the steady anti-e-cig drumbeat of the preceding months.

Steve
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These other countries don't seem to have the effective propaganda channels that the US has. "Occupy Wall St" was quickly crushed. Now, anti-fasicist demonstrators are dismissed as violent street thugs.

If the yellow vests were in the US, the media would have been in full song against them and the mass protests would be gone.

Speaking of propaganda, I haven't seen one single anti-e-cig piece on the "news" since Altria bought it's position in Juul on December 20th. Yes, it's only been a couple weeks, so far, but it's interesting, given the steady anti-e-cig drumbeat of the preceding months.


Corporate interests don’t the sway in other countries that they do in the USA. Its all about the benjamins here.

On the Netflix show, Rotten, I watched an episode on fishing industry. You might be surprised that:”Over 90% of the seafood consumed in the U.S. is imported from other countries around the world.”
https://www.seafoodhealthfacts.org/seafood-choices/overview-...

90%! That is because the US government poorly managed US fish resources. In the mid 1970’s the US established a 200 mile restricted for US fishermen. Fine and good. But then had a program that loan money for people to get into commercial fishing. US waters were overfished.
The Environmental Defense Fund, a corporate funded lobby set the current system of “catch shares” system.
https://www.edf.org/oceans/how-catch-shares-work-promising-s...
The entire annual allowable of fish is divided equally amongst all commercial fishmen. Unfortunately that amount isn’t enough for a small fish man to be profitable. So big operators buy the small guy’s allotment consolidating the industry bringing economy of scale by big operators.
EDF current project is to bring banking into “sustainable infrastructure” projects. The US government working hand in hand with banks.
http://business.edf.org/files/2017/10/EDF_Unlocking-Private-...
I imagine this initiative will be as big of a clusterf*$k as their “catch shares” system is. Though i imagine banks will make out very well. They usually do & the taxpayer hosed.
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The Environmental Defense Fund, a corporate funded lobby set the current system of “catch shares” system.

...

EDF current project is to bring banking into “sustainable infrastructure” projects. The US government working hand in hand with banks.

...
I imagine this initiative will be as big of a clusterf*$k as their “catch shares” system is.


https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/05/06/months-after-co...


Carlos Rafael, the disgraced fishing mogul known as “The Codfather,” is now in prison. But the consequences of his crimes are still being felt throughout New Bedford.

...

In the harbor off Leonard’s Wharf, the large steel boats with their signature green hulls are rusting in the salt air, their dormant nets still coiled as if ready to scoop up schools of cod or haddock.

In the parking lot behind Reidar’s Manufacturing, more than a dozen trawls molder in the dirt, their floats and cables weathered and waiting.

...

Dan Georgianna, an economics professor at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, estimated that the fishing ban has cost the region’s economy nearly $500,000 a day.


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Here's a mess for sure...

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Meanwhile north of the border we have another problem with theft from boats, trucks and processing plants. That and the price which has put it out of reach for most of the locals. A young fellow looking at our universities that are chock-a-block (well a third of the students) with much higher paying foreign students can make six figures on the lobster boats.

Tim

https://shop.clearwater.ca/


https://calgaryherald.com/news/canada/police-seek-publics-he...

Thieves steal massive amount of lobster from New Brunswick plant in the dead of night

Police say it's not unusual to see people try to make off with the pricey delicacies -- from trucks, from pens and directly from boats

THE CANADIAN PRESS Updated: August 14, 2018

SAINT-SIMON, N.B. — There has been another crustacean caper on the East Coast.

Police say thieves stole “a large quantity of lobster meat” in New Brunswick’s Acadian Peninsula on Friday.

It happened in the dead of night — sometime between 12:45 and 1:30 a.m.

They struck a processing plant in Saint-Simon, about an hour east of Bathurst.

The lobster business is among the most lucrative fisheries in Canada, producing more than $1 billion in commercial landings in 2016, and lobster theft is not uncommon.

In Friday’s heist, police say thieves made off with the lobster meat packed in 20-pound boxes using a stolen van.


https://globalnews.ca/news/4815585/nova-scotia-stolen-lobste...

January 4, 2019 2:03 pm

Thieves make off with 1,200 pounds of lobster in Nova Scotia

Rebecca Lau | Global News By Rebecca Lau

RCMP in Nova Scotia are looking for the thieves who pinched 1,200 pounds of lobster over the holidays.

Police are asking for the public’s help in solving the two thefts, which they say took place on Dec. 23, 2018 and Jan. 1.
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Does anyone know where Art was January 4th? I don't know if he can be trusted around a lot of lobster....



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French government sez “enough is enough”

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/france-to-crack-d...

French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe on Monday (Jan 7) announced plans to ban participation in unauthorised demonstrations as the government scrambles to try to end weeks of violent "yellow vest" protests.

Seven weeks into rebellion marked by weekly clashes in Paris and other French cities, Philippe said the government would introduce a "new law punishing those who do not respect the requirement to declare (protests), those who take part in unauthorised demonstrations and those who arrive at demonstrations wearing face masks."


We await to see how the yellow vests respond.

France in past has been criticized by Amnesty International.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/05/france-unchec...
Powers designed to combat terrorism have been repeatedly misused to curb peaceful protest, a new report from Amnesty International has found.

“Under the cover of the state of emergency, rights to protest have been stripped away with hundreds of activists, environmentalists, and labour rights campaigners unjustifiably banned from participating in protests.”


Hm when will the mob realize they are fortunate to just live in France & shut up & stay at home. The establishment elites are getting frustrated.
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French government sez “enough is enough”

How USian of them. Dealing with dissent by using a bigger club.

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https://www.openpaper.com/police-in-paris-fear-bigger-and-mo...

French police said Friday they expect planned “yellow vest” demonstrations this weekend to be bigger and more violent than a week ago, as the protest movement which had shown signs of fatigue at the end of 2018 gains fresh impetus.


National police chief Eric Morvan told France Inter radio “we expect a return to a level of mobilisation seen before the Christmas holidays”, for the ninth consecutive Saturday of nationwide protests, which have been characterised by clashes with police and destruction of property.


I guess we’ll see if the French police are correct.

Former Education Minister Luc Ferry has a solution:
French police should be allowed to use LIVE bullets and ‘shoot-to-kill’ tactics on Yellow Vest protesters
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6570491/Police-use-...

That’ll show the rabble who’s boss!
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<<Former Education Minister Luc Ferry has a solution:
French police should be allowed to use LIVE bullets and ‘shoot-to-kill’ tactics on Yellow Vest protesters>>



The poor babies don't cotton to being the object of "peaceful protests"!


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Luc Ferry-philosopher & college professor:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Ferry
In June 2011, Le Canard Enchaîné, Le Monde and other media[3][4] revealed that Luc Ferry, a professor at Paris Diderot University since 1996 (or 1997, depending on sources) had not ever taught there — when he was minister, he was on leave, and when not on leave his obligation to teach was waived in order for him to undertake other official duties. Some of those came with compensation pay, while he was still paid as a professor. In 2010, however, a change in legislation (introduced by minister Valérie Pécresse) made the University financially autonomous. It did not want to have professors on its payroll that did not teach, which may have made its president liable for misuse of public funds; it then required Luc Ferry to do his allocated teaching share, which he declined to do. In 2011, according to some sources, the university is threatening to get him to refund his salary (€4500 per month).

Monsieur Ferry was the Education Minister for 2 years. He received pay for not teaching for years.
Meanwhile he is angry at the mob enraged over their shabby treatment by the French government.
Well that’s an establishment elite for you.
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Former Education Minister Luc Ferry has a solution:

Is there something odd about heads of the educational system? A former SecEd of the master race suggested racial genocide would reduce crime.

Speaking on his daily radio show, William Bennett, education secretary and drugs czar, said: "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose; you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/01/usa.danglaiste...

...and ‘shoot-to-kill’ tactics

We old buggers remember Kent State. I also remember the government/media attempt to cover it up too: in the days immediately after the shooting, I head the media reporting that the bullets that killed the students were all from different caliber guns than what the Guard was using.

There were two riots in my high school the week of the Kent State shootings.

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I head the media reporting that the bullets that killed the students were all from different caliber guns than what the Guard was using.

Different from the 30-06 M-1 & 45 acp from colt 1911s?
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Different from the 30-06 M-1 & 45 acp from colt 1911s?

That was the claim the persons the media was quoting made. I have never seen anything about that in the historical records these days, but immediately after the shootings, the media was implying that there was a sniper somewhere shooting all those people and the Guardsmen were innocent. If you are really ambitious the video tapes of the network news broadcasts are probably archived somewhere. I could only get two channels then, and always watched the network news on CBS and the local news on WOOD-TV, channel 8, in Grand Rapids. If you watch all the news from those two sources for the few days immediately after the shooting, you will probably see what I saw.

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I guess we’ll see if the French police are correct.

Former Education Minister Luc Ferry has a solution:
French police should be allowed to use LIVE bullets and ‘shoot-to-kill’ tactics on Yellow Vest protesters


Hm... relevant to something I thought about posting on a different forum, a few hours ago I looked in more detail at the French revolution.

They started with an absolute, and somewhat oppressive, monarchy.

People got fed up with that and replaced it with an absolute, and somewhat repressive, "republic" where each of several regions was represented by a self-selected person. In other words, a large committee. Which oversaw the execution of a lot of former nobles for things that were perfectly legal for those nobles to do at the time they were done - and some of them simply for the crime of having been nobles.

But other than that, this large committee had all the usual problems of large committees, and before long its power was usurped by a smaller and much more bloodthirsty committee led by a guy named "stone dresses" (literal translation). This committee had absolute power and was somewhat oppressive.

That committee turned out to be too bloodthirsty, and after just a couple years was not merely tossed out but also executed on the order of a new small committee... which turned out to be only slightly less bloodthirsty and oppressive.

So it wasn't all that long before a coup threw out this committee as well, and installed a guy named "good to leave" as.... the absolute, and somewhat oppressive, monarch. Ending the revolutionary period pretty much where it began.

Looks like history may be in the process of rhyming with itself...
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That was the claim the persons the media was quoting made. I have never seen anything about that in the historical records these days, but immediately after the shootings, the media was implying that there was a sniper somewhere shooting all those people and the Guardsmen were innocent.

The old grassy knoll.
Nah I believe the guardsmen panicked. One guy shot first; then like chain reaction “Twenty-eight guardsmen fired approximately 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
“The adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen, which remains a debated allegation.”
Yeah a bs story to cya.

“more than 100 Guardsmen under the command of Brig. Gen. Robert Canterbury confronted the demonstrators with M-1 rifles loaded with live ammunition.”
https://www.britannica.com/event/Kent-State-shootings

“Robert Canterbury, a retired brigadier general of the Ohio National Guard who was the highest ranking officer on the Kent State University campus on May 4, 1970, testified today that he had had no direct responsibility for the weapons used and whether they were loaded or for the tactics of the troops and the methods of dispersing students protesting against the United States invasion of Cambodia.“
https://www.nytimes.com/1975/07/24/archives/kent-trial-hears...

So like sgt Schultz on Hogan’s Heros:”I know nothing!”

“On May 8, 11 people were bayonetted at the University of New Mexico by the New Mexico National Guard in a confrontation with student protesters.”
The above is a new incident to me.
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The old grassy knoll.

What I heard was not conspiracy theory. I heard it, most likely, from Walter Cronkite, who, at the time, was regarded as the most trusted person in the country.

“The adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen,

Which would fit with the "different kind of bullets" story I heard reported.

...he had had no direct responsibility for the weapons used and whether they were loaded

The "rogue underling" defense, again.

“On May 8, 11 people were bayonetted at the University of New Mexico by the New Mexico National Guard in a confrontation with student protesters.”

I never heard of that before, either, that I recall.

Guardsmen Defended by Chief Over Stabbings in New Mexico

When the guardsmen came up to a student on crutches, Sonny Flowers, two of them shoved him and he fell. When he attempted to rise, one guardsman swung his rifle at him and he fell again. As another student ran forward and took Mr. Flowers by the arm, two guards ??en went into a crouch and ??egan slashing at the second student with their bayonets. A third student who had been standing nearby watching, rushed forward and threw the contents of a paper cup he was holding at the guardsmen. General Jolly said the cup contained urine.

Eleven persons required medical treatment from bayonet slashes after the late afternoon clash. One was a cameraman for television station KOB, Bill Norlander, who was stabbed several times as he photo graphed the scene.


https://www.nytimes.com/1970/06/07/archives/guardsmen-defend...

In those pre-Watergate days, the media would withhold stories if the government asked them. While the NYT ran the story, it's possible that CBS management suppressed it, probably due to someone's decision that it would look really bad for the mob to see two separate incidents of US servicemen trying to kill unarmed, US, civilians, in the space of a few days.

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The lesson to be learned from the Kent State shootings is that it's a mistake to try to muscle military forces with violent and threatening "peaceful demonstrations."


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Week 9
Yellow vests gain strength in numbers.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46852600
Police in the capital used water cannon and tear gas as scuffles broke out at the Arc de Triomphe, on the ninth consecutive weekend of protests.

Some 84,000 demonstrators were recorded nationwide, an increase compared with last week, official figures show.

Some 156 protesters were arrested, and as of 21:00 local time (20:00 GMT), 108 remained in custody, police said.

By nightfall, there had not been the looting or burning of cars as seen in previous weeks.
French President Emmanuel Macron has said a national debate is due to kick off on 15 January in response to weeks of protests by the "gilets jaunes" - so-called because of the high-visibility jackets they wear.

It will be held publicly in town halls across France and on the internet, and will focus on four themes: taxes, green energy, institutional reform and citizenship.
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Hm when will the mob realize they are fortunate to just live in France & shut up & stay at home. The establishment elites are getting frustrated.

Yeah, they're just like those ungrateful Hippies we had in the 60's!

Perhaps a little well regulated chaos now and then is a good thing. ;-)

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French government sez “enough is enough”

How USian of them. Dealing with dissent by using a bigger club.


To paraphrase Tim, The beatings will continue until morale improves!
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Some 84,000 demonstrators were recorded nationwide, an increase compared with last week, official figures show.

Both ABC and CBS "news" covered the Paris gas explosion. Not one peep about the continued protests. Maybe the USian GIC decided they didn't want the mob seeing other people rejecting the meme that all all the loot has to be handed to the "job creator class".

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Yeah, they're just like those ungrateful Hippies we had in the 60's!

As you prolly know Dave, many of them hippies became devote capitalists later in their life’s.
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Macron writes a 2300 word open letter that will appear in French newspapers tomorrow.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/macron-seeks-t...
In the letter, Macron said he was open to ideas and suggestions but insisted the government would not go back on previous reforms or key measures in his 2017 election campaign.

“No questions are banned,” Macron writes.

The letter, to be published in French newspapers on Monday, marks the start of a nationwide consultation in which citizens are invited to give their views on four central themes: taxation; the organisation of the state and its public administration; ecological transition; and citizenship and democracy.

Macron’s missive asks a number of questions, including: what taxes should be reduced?; what spending cuts might be a priority?; is there too much administration?; how can the people be given a greater say in running the country?

“This is how I intend, with you, to transform anger into solutions,” he wrote.

Accepting that everyone wanted taxes that were “fairer and more efficient”, he warned against unrealistic expectations, adding there could be no drop in taxation without cuts in public spending.


If you read the French language; the letter is here:
https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/document-la-lettre-aux-franc...


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/09/emmanuel-macrons...
After two months of "gilets jaunes" protests, the French government is due to kick off three months of debates at local level starting on Tuesday 15 January in order to channel anger at the lack of participative democracy into new policy.
The French people will be able to speak their minds & makes proposals. Whether anything changes remains to be seen.
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Former Education Minister Luc Ferry has a solution:
French police should be allowed to use LIVE bullets and ‘shoot-to-kill’ tactics on Yellow Vest protesters


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6586991/French-riot-police-...
French riot police have deployed semi-automatic weapons with live ammunition against Yellow Vest protestors for the first time. Officers were filmed brandishing Heckler & Koch G36 weapons by the Arc de Triomphe in Paris on Saturday afternoon.

The presence of semi-automatic rifles at a demonstration by unarmed French citizens shows how President Emmanuel Macron’s law and order crisis spirals.

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French riot police have deployed semi-automatic weapons with live ammunition against Yellow Vest protestors for the first time. Officers were filmed brandishing Heckler & Koch G36 weapons by the Arc de Triomphe in Paris on Saturday afternoon.

Thanks DB2, missed that development.
If they cut loose there will more than the 4 killed at Kent State.
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The presence of semi-automatic rifles at a demonstration by unarmed French citizens shows how President Emmanuel Macron’s law and order crisis spirals.

Defending the enrichment of the "job creator class" at any cost.

I haven't seen anything about this on the USian evening "news" in weeks.

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If they cut loose there will more than the 4 killed at Kent State.

I wonder what sort of propaganda the policemen are being fed about the protestors to keep them in line?

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Macron shoots himself in the foot by opening his mouth.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190115-macron-anger-national-d...
Macron had planned to try to quell a rising tide of economic anger with a speech in Normandy announcing a round of public gatherings that would form a "grand national debate" on the issues facing France, from tax reform to adopting green energies.

But instead he sparked an immediate backlash while on a surprise visit to the town of Gasny by seeming to suggest that many of those struggling economically had only themselves to blame.

Even as the French president expressed his desire to "empower" people in “difficult economic circumstances”, he mused that while some were “doing the right thing” others were just “screwing around” with the system.

Macron had already unleashed a fresh wave of indignation on Friday, when he said that too many French citizens “think they can get things without making an effort".
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46878317
What is the aim of the debate?
This new initiative is meant to allay another grievance: the lack of democratic representation felt by many people in rural and small-town France.

After a month, contributors will be chosen by lot from each region and they will then collate the recommendations and pass them up to the government.

There are four themes:
Tax and public spending
Organisation of the state and public services
Ecological transition
Democracy and citizenship

Reaction to the Grand Debate among yellow vests has been lukewarm to say the least. "Smokescreen" is the general epithet.

As Le Monde's Gerard Courtois puts it: "To bet on failure would be irresponsible. To bet on success would be naïve. The most important thing is to take part."
Across the country polls suggest between 40% and 50% of French people would like to take part - which is certainly not a complete rejection. But good feeling for the yellow vests also remains strong - at around 67%
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The yellow vest protest has crystallized in my mind the solution to income equality & developing underclass in economically developed nations generated by the global economy*. Solutions must come from the establishment elites. The only way to produce a desire amongst that elite is through fear. Only when ruling elites fear about their survival will change occur. Appealing to their better nature is useless. They don’t have one.


*the global economy has greatly reduced world poverty & enlarged the middle class in developing economies. But that has been done on the backs of the working classes & some of the middle class of developed western economies. And their plight has been ignored by their governments & wealthy private hands on the levers of power.